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Postby wmarsala » 26 Dec 2006, 17:23

Hi I need some information on my Great Grandfather Philip Marsala and if possible his parents. My great grand father was born in 1901 (don't know a date) in Italy died in Chicago July 4th 1931. I am not sure where in Italy he was born. His Father's name was Vito and his mother's name was Catherine. Vito was born in 1878 and died in 1920. Catherine was born in 1881 and died on 1949. Again do not have exact dates. I am not sure if the last name was changed to Marsala when they arrived to America or if that is what the name has been forever. I need help knowing this for sure. He married my great Grandmother Josephine Vaccaro in 1927 but do not have an exact date. And they had a son Victor or Vito shortly after that but I do not have a date on that either but I can get that easy enough. Please help. I am desperate. My great Grandfather had sibblings named Rose, Paul, Lena and Camille if that helps anyone at all.

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Postby wldspirit » 26 Dec 2006, 17:52

Welcome to ItalianGenealogy!!

Here is the family per the 1930 census:

1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Katherine Marsala
Home in 1930: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Age: 46
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Race: White
Household Members: Name Age
Katherine Marsala 46 - Widowed, married at age 19, listed as Alien, Birthplace in Italy. Immigration of 1906.
Philip Marsala 28 - Married at 25, listed as Naturalized, Brithplace in Italy.
Immigration of 1906.
Lena Marsala 23 - Married at 22, Birthplace Illinois.
Paul Marsala 19 - Brithplace Illinois.
Rose Marsala 17 - Brithplace Illinois.
Carmella Marsala 15 Birthplace Illinois.
Josephine Marsala 23 - Daughter in law, Married at 20, Birthplace Italy, Naturalized, Immigration of 1910.
Vito Marsala 7/12 - Grandson.

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Postby wmarsala » 26 Dec 2006, 18:12

Thank you for that info. I have actually scene that document but I do not have a copy of it. I saw it on Ancestry.com. Is at at all possible to have you send that document to me? That would be great.

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Postby wldspirit » 26 Dec 2006, 18:19

Death dates:

Chicago Tribune, Obituary Index, 1988-1997
about Marsala, Carmella
Name: Letto, Carmella
Maiden Name: Marsala, Carmella
Date: 6-Sep-93

Name: Marsala, Josephine Vaccaro
Maiden Name: Vaccaro, Josephine
Date: 10-Apr-90

California Death Index, 1940-1997 **NOTE, Not the correct PHILLIP**

Name: MARSALA, PHILIP
Social Security #:
Sex: MALE
Birth Date: 13 Jun 1893
Birthplace: ILLINOIS
Death Date: 11 Jan 1979
Death Place: LOS ANGELES

The Social Security Death Index also has listings whcih can be obtained for free at Rootsweb.com. These dates will help put the family into context with regard to birthdates and death dates.
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Postby wldspirit » 26 Dec 2006, 18:20

Will link the document for you..will take a few minutes.....
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Link to the 1930 census image:
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/1706/vito2pb3.jpg

and this is the WW1 draft registration for Vito, note Katherine's name is
CATERINA, which was Americanized to KATHERINE.
http://img306.imageshack.us/img306/5125/vitoqz7.jpg

Once all US documentation has been gathered, we need to find a ship manifest which will hopefully uncover the town of origin. Then you can begin your search with Italian records. :D

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Postby wmarsala » 26 Dec 2006, 18:31

Thank you WldSpirit.

That Philip Marsala I do not believe is related to me. My great Grandfather was born in Italy and died in Chicago on July 4th, 1931. But the rest of the information you gave me is correct. Thank you once again.

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Postby jcsm400 » 26 Dec 2006, 18:33

Possible death information for Phillip & Vito.

Illinois Statewide Death Index, 1916–1950

Last Name/First Name/Sex/Race/ Age/ Cert #/Death Date/ County/ City/Date Filed

MARSALA/PHILLIP/M/W/UNK/6022187/1931-07-04/COOk/ CHICAGO/31-07-06

MARSALA/VITO/ M/W/ UNK/ 6009591/ 1920-02-28/ COOK/ CHICAGO/ 20-02-29

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Re: Need Information

Postby wmarsala » 26 Dec 2006, 18:42

jcsm,

Thank you this is great information. I have not been able to find an exact date for my Great Great Grandfather this is very helpful. Anyway to get birth information and possibly naturalization information for both Vito and Philip?

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Postby wldspirit » 26 Dec 2006, 18:44

The family listed on the 1910 census:

1910 United States Federal Census

Name: Vito Mascella
Age in 1910: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Spouse's name: Catherine
Home in 1910: Chicago Ward 22, Cook, Illinois
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1902

Vito Mascella 31
Catherine Mascella 28
Phillip Mascella 9
Lera Mascella 3
Frank Mascella 1
Rose Sepesa 53
Leonarda Sepesa 17

link to image:
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/7140/1910lh0.jpg

This census list immigration of 1902, Vito and Catherine have been married for 10 years, and Vito has filed for his first papers.

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Postby jcsm400 » 26 Dec 2006, 18:49

Possible manifest informattion.


13. Marsala, Vito M 27y M Italy, Italian South Ciminna
0014. Passantino, Caterina F 24y M Italy, Italian South Ciminna
0015. Marsala, Filippo M 4y 11m S Italy, Italian South Ciminna

http://stevemorse.org/goulnik/match1.ph ... &dwpdone=1

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Postby wldspirit » 26 Dec 2006, 19:03

There is a line thru all these names.......so there is another manifest to be found.
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**Often passengers booked to sail on a given ship did not depart. Perhaps they missed the ship, or changed their travel plans, or became ill and health officials prevented them from boarding the ship. Whatever the case, in some instances the change or decision occurred so late there was no time to amend the passenger list. Their names and passenger information remain on lists for ships upon which they never arrived.
To indicate the record is meaningless, steamship company employees would mark the record in one of several ways. The most common was to "line out" the entire record with dark grease pencil or ink. Some of the lines are straight across and can be difficult to differentiate from scratches on the microfilm. Others are deliberately "wavy."

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Postby wmarsala » 26 Dec 2006, 19:33

I was looking at the manifest information and this is quite helpful I did not have this information before. I was trying to look at the scanned image and it is to small. DO you know if the names were crossed out on the manifest or not. I would like to purchase this unless there is another way to get it for free that I don't know about. Thanks both of you for your help.

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Postby wldspirit » 26 Dec 2006, 21:53

Here is the manifest for the family:

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/7130/vito3ha4.jpg

DATE: June 28, 1906
NAME: Caterina Passantino
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Age: 24
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Palermo, Italy
Ethnicity/Race/Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Ship Name: Citta di Milano
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 14
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_734
Page Number: 50
Lines 13 thru 15.

According to the info to be found on this manifest, Vito had been in the US
from 1902 thru 1905, in Chicago. Caterina had never been to the US, nor had Phillip. They are joining the father in law, Francesco Passatino, need a second opinion on the name.....looks like Francesco...... :?

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Postby wldspirit » 26 Dec 2006, 21:59

There is a way to copy these manifest, but as to how, I am not sure.
Sorry.....maybe one of our other posters can guide you as to how this is done........

To research in Italy for the birth information you requested, town of origin must be known, I cannot make out the name......but perhaps someone can........
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Re: Need Information

Postby vj » 26 Dec 2006, 22:01

wldspirit,
Looks like Francesco...
Is this from ancestry?
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