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Help is appreciated! Started researching my Italian roots!

Postby bobby82569 » 10 Jan 2007, 03:40

I've started researching my mother's family and I'm having a rough start. I have ship manifest from Ellis Island stating her mother came to US. on May 8,1911 and she was from Casoli (CH) Abbruzzi. She was born on Aug. 23,1893. My mother who passed away a month ago told me that my grandparents had an arranged marriage(put their love of children made them very happy) and my father said their anniversary was May 7,1911. The manifest said her husband was Pietro Genovese( he was born in 1890 and lived in Philadelphia, PA. before he moved to Washington DC, but my mother's birth certificate says Genovere) there has been many stories about the name change but that generation seemed to be very quiet about the past. Any help would be appreciated!! Thanks, Bobby

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Postby wldspirit » 10 Jan 2007, 05:13

Welcome to ItalianGenealogy!!
By providing additional detail, name of Pietro's wife, including maiden name if known, name of children and approximate birth dates...can help posters track the right family.......
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Postby bobby82569 » 10 Jan 2007, 06:41

Pietro Genovese or U.S. name Genovere born 1890
wife's name : Rosina Tenaglia born 8.23.1893
from Abbruzzi, Cheiti, Casoli
Arrived to U.S. May 8th,1911 from Naples to Ellis Island
Believe she stayed an Italian citizen and died Jan. 23,1966 in
Washington DC, (Hyattsville, MD to be exact)
All of their children were born in Washington DC
They were married in May, 1911 but ship manifest said her husband was Pietro Genovese
I know she had a sister who was sent after she was to marry a friend of my grandfathers. The only picture I have of her mother is one of her in her casket(wondering if this was normal) My mother told me that Rosina never spoke to her family after she was sent to the US at the age of 17. Not sure who sent the photo or how they knew where to send it.
I looked up Tenaglia in Casoli phone book(internet) and was wondering if they would be related since it is a small town.

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Postby VaDeb » 11 Jan 2007, 01:15

Belolw are some census records for your family:

Here is the family in 1920. Pete came in 1905 and has filed his Declaration of Intent or first papers. Rose came in 1911 and is an alien.
Name: Pete Gennovere
[Pete Genovese]
Home in 1920: Washington, Washington, District of Columbia
Age: 30 years
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's name: Rose
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Year of Immigration: 1905
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 787
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Pete Gennovere 30
Rose Gennovere 27
Frank Gennovere 7
Dominic Gennovere 6
Concetta Gennovere 4 11/12
Louis Gennovere 10/12
Jac Sallere 27
Philip Zappacosta 30
Nick Borrallo 22

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/363/1920ju4.jpg



Here is the family in 1930. According to this census Pietro came in 1909 and Rose in 1911 and they are both still aliens. No naturalization paperwork filed.

Name: Pietro Genovese
Home in 1930: Washington, Washington, District of Columbia
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's name: Rose
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Pietro Genovese 40
Rose Genovese 37
Frank Genovese 18
Dominic Genovese 17
Congetta Genovese 15
Louis Genovese 11
Mary Genovese 9
Louise Genovese 5
Annie Genovese 3 3/12
Nick Borrel 30

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/7466/1930xb3.jpg


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Postby VaDeb » 11 Jan 2007, 01:22

Here is Pietro's WWI draft card. It confirms his date of birth as Feb. 18, 1890 and his place of birth as Casoli.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4123 ... ardqy8.jpg

Also, you may want to explore searching past issues of the Washington Post. It is searchable. If you live in the Washington DC area you may be able to access it through your library for free. I can through Prince William County library.

I have sent you a PM regarding Rosina's obituary.

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Postby VaDeb » 11 Jan 2007, 05:01

Ellis Island Record:

First Name: Rosa
Last Name: Tenaglia
Ethnicity: Italian South
Last Place of Residence: Casoli, Italy
Date of Arrival: May 08, 1911
Age at Arrival: 17y Gender: F Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Duca Degli Abruzzi
Port of Departure: Naples
Manifest Line Number: 0004

On page 1 it lists the name of her nearest relative, her father. His name is ? Francesco Paolo. Not sure of the first name. Perhaps someone can look at the link and see what the father's name is.


Page 1
http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManif ... 0990%2ETIF

Page 2
http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManif ... 1123060329

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Postby vj » 11 Jan 2007, 05:15

Debbie,
My 2 cents - I think you've got it :D
Fsco Paolo.
Valarie

doesn't appear that they followed traditional
naming patterns for their children?

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Postby Esperanza » 11 Jan 2007, 13:43

bobby82569 wrote: The manifest said her husband was Pietro Genovese( he was born in 1890 and lived in Philadelphia, PA. before he moved to Washington DC, but my mother's birth certificate says Genovere) there has been many stories about the name change but that generation seemed to be very quiet about the past. Any help would be appreciated!! Thanks, Bobby


You may have already seen this manifest? Not sure if he is the one...

Pietro Genovesi... year of birth is 1889, Casoli and Philadelphia is a match...

Pietro would be joining his brother Filippo (Philippo as written by the record keeper..)

First Name: Pietro
Last Name: Genovesi
Ethnicity: Italian, Italian So.
Last Place of Residence: Casoli, Chieti
Date of Arrival: Sep 02, 1905
Age at Arrival: 16y Gender: M Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: New York
Port of Departure: Cherbourg, France
Manifest Line Number: 0009

Pietro 1905 manifest

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Postby suanj » 11 Jan 2007, 14:07

yes vj: Francesco Paolo! kisses, suanj
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Postby bobby82569 » 12 Jan 2007, 22:40

I want to thank everyone for not just helping but getting all this information. The one thing I did always know of my Italian heritage is that if they can help someone else they will. It's nice knowing that it's Italians not just my family! Thanks again :!: And if any of you are not Italian you're just as wonderful!!!! Bobby

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Postby jcsm400 » 12 Jan 2007, 23:19

Hi Bobby,

To get any records after 1865 (see below), you will need to contact the city hall of Casoli. Here is the contact information.

Ufficio di Stato Civile
Via Frentana
66043 Casoli (CH)
ITALY
Phone Number: (+39) 0872-99281;
Fax: (+39) 0872-981616
Email: info@comune.casoli.ch.it

Requests should be in Italian & if writing, include a self addressed return envelope, a copy of your photo ID & two international reply coupons. The IRC covers the cost of the return postage & can be obtained from your post office.

Here is a form letter that will translate your request into Italian.

http://www.circolocalabrese.org/resourc ... /index.asp

Once you get your family back to the 1860's, the LDS Church (Mormons) have filmed the civil records (birth, marriage, & death acts) for 1809-1865. You can order/rent these films at your local LDS-Family History Center. Here are the available films.

Civil records 180-1865


http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library ... o+civile++

To locate your nearest FHC.

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library ... et_fhc.asp

A guide to obtaining the films.

http://italiangenealogy.tardio.com/Foru ... =2581.html

Your FHC will have an Italian-English & a Latin-English genealogical word lists that you can purchase for a small fee & will help with the translations of the records.

If you have any questions, need further assistance at anytime, please just ask.

Good luck with your research.

:) jcsm
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