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Could someone hepl me out with the Savoca-Farfaglia Family ?

Postby MikeSavoca91 » 23 Jan 2007, 11:36

Hello, I have been working on my family tree for a while now and have come pretty far, but as I am sure most of you know you can't go far enough. I want to go back to find records of my family as far as I can, but do not speak Italian so I am at a disadvantage. I would really appreciate it if any one could help. My great grandfather was Vincenzo Savoca who came to America with his father Giovanni in 1913 and married Maria Farfaglia.I have a total of 6 generations, and want to keep going I feel no person should ever be forgotten. The info i have for you to go on is this:

The town- Castaglione Di Sicilia in Catania.
The surnames- Savoca, Farfaglia, Mamazza, DiSano, Ponticelli, Campioni, Scarvera, Lomonica or Lominica.

-If you want to help and need a little more info such as frist names or the exact tree I have contact me and I will be glad to fill in any blanks I can. Thank you all so much!!!!

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Postby nuccia » 23 Jan 2007, 14:33

Mike,

Did you want to search back prior to Vincenza and Maria then? If so, then can we assume you have done all you American research?

For those of you who wish to help, here is the manifest as transcribed from ancestry.

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Giovanni Savoca
Name: Giovanni Savoca
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Palermo, Italy
Ethnicity/Race/Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Ship Name: Sant Anna
Search Ship Database: Search the Sant Anna in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: Sicily
Line: 10
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_2103
Birth Location: Sicily
Birth Location Other: castiglione
Page Number: 211

Source Citation: Year: 1913; Microfilm serial: T715; Microfilm roll: T715_2103; Line: 10; .

It can also be viewed from www.stevemorse.org at no charge for those who don't have a subscription to ancestry.

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Passengers travelling together are:
0015. Savoca, Salvatore M 41y M Italy Castiglione, Sicily
0016. Savoca, Giovanni M 43y M Italy Castiglione, Sicily
0017. Savoca, Vincenzo M 15y S Italy Castiglione, Sicily
0018. Savoca, Carmelo M 35y M Italy Castiglione, Sicily
0020. Lo Monaco, Salvatore M 41y M Italy Castiglione, Sicily
0021. Farfaglia, Alfio M 31y M Italy Castiglione, Sicily
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Postby nuccia » 23 Jan 2007, 14:47

Is this your great grandparents in the 1930 Census living with their daughter and family?
1930 United States Federal Census
about John Savoca
Name: John Savoca
Home in 1930: Queens, Queens, New York
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Father-in-law
Spouse's name: Mary
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace:

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Household Members:
Name Age
Altura Scammacca 38
Josie Scammacca 29
Alfred Scammacca 9
John Scammacca 6
John Savoca 60
Mary Savoca 52
Frances Savoca 17
Camolo Savoca 12

Theres a lot of good info on this Census and the added bonus is that Vincent, your grandfather is also listed on the same page living next door.

1930 United States Federal Census
about Vincent Savoca
Name: Vincent Savoca
Home in 1930: Queens, Queens, New York
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1899
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's name: Mary
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace:

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Household Members:
Name Age
Vincent Savoca 31
Mary Savoca 27
John Savoca 7
Mary C Savoca 1


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Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Queens, Queens, New York; Roll: 1591; Page: 3B; Enumeration District: 782; Image: 613.0.
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Postby nuccia » 23 Jan 2007, 14:54

Heres Vincenzo's WW1 Draft Card registration:

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Vincenzo Savoca
Name: Vincenzo Savoca
City: Manhattan
County: New York
State: New York
Birthplace: Italy
Birth Date: 26 Jul 1889
Race: White
Roll: 1765596
DraftBoard: 91

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Sorry but the image is cut off..I guess they were filmed poorly. Does anyone know if there is another way of accessing them or is the only way to order the microfilms from the library?

Source Citation: Registration Location: New York County, New York; Roll: 1765596; Draft Board: 91.
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Re: Could someone help me out with the Savoca-Farfaglia Fami

Postby MikeSavoca91 » 23 Jan 2007, 15:10

Thank you very much for that info, my great grandmother isn't listed on ellis island for some reason but i think she came around 1910. I have a bit of info when it comes to America i need to figure out how to get records when it comes to Sicily, I have the names of all of my great great great grandparents (I'm 15 so it isn't that far back). Do you know of a place where I could get like a template letter in Italian that I could mail or e-mail to the town for records? Also the people that my great grandfather were traveling with, how would I be able to find out what became of them? I have a feeling they were important parts of the family, because one of my great grandpa's brothers was named Carmelo and no one knows where the name comes from. Thank you so much for your help!

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Postby nuccia » 23 Jan 2007, 15:27

Mike,

15? Thats great. I think that what you are doing is wonderful and the fact that you are doing it so young is even better. Lots of people here are willing to help. There are many members who are also fluent in Italian and English so they can translate any letters/documents you may need translating.

For templates..
http://www.anzwers.org/free/italiangen/ ... #relatives

http://www.circolocalabrese.org/resourc ... /index.asp

To obtain Italian records there are a few different ways. You can either order microfilms from the town of birth of your ancestors (if available) or write to the comune. There are members here that can help with this info better than I can..

As for your great grandmothers ship manifest..that I maight be able to help you with..

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Maria Farfaglia
Name: Maria Farfaglia
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Age: 25
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Ethnicity/Race/Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Ship Name: Berlin
Search Ship Database: View the Berlin in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: Catania
Line: 14
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_1610
Birth Location: Catania
Birth Location Other: castiglione
Page Number: 185

Hoping its her...I'll see if its available on ellis as well..

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Source Citation: Year: 1910; Microfilm serial: T715; Microfilm roll: T715_1610; Line: 14; .
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Re: Could someone hepl me out with the Savoca-Farfaglia Fami

Postby MikeSavoca91 » 23 Jan 2007, 15:29

The world war 1 draft card is GREAT!!! I will have to try and find a smaller version of it, where did you find it? I am not sure if it is him because of the birth date, my great grandpa was born on May 1, 1898. I will post a more detailed list of people in my family for you. You are a big help, I need to find more resources. Thank you again, can I help you with anything? I dont think I will be able to do much but i would be more then happy to give it a shot.

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Postby nuccia » 23 Jan 2007, 15:37

You can stand by and confirm info for now...dates are usually off here and there..Italians were never sure of their birthdays because it really didn't matter to them. Some went by the date that their births were registered. I have four different dates for my great grandfather. What we need to do is see if we can get a full copy of the card to see the rest of the info..

As for your great grandmothers manifest from ellis island..try using www.stevemorse.org instead. Gives you several different search options. If the above manifest is hers then she is listed..

http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManif ... 0834%2ETIF

http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManif ... 1496170314

First Name: Maria
Last Name: Farfaglia
Ethnicity: Italy, Italian South
Last Place of Residence: Castiglione, Catania
Date of Arrival: Dec 21, 1910
Age at Arrival: 25y Gender: F Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: Berlin
Port of Departure: Naples
Manifest Line Number: 0014

Lets see if we can get you some addresses. By the way..how are you keeping track of all your info? www.familysearch.org has a free genealogy program you can download.

I'll give you the link in a bit.

*EDIT>>Incorrect Maria. Age is older then the Maria the poster is looking for.
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Postby nuccia » 23 Jan 2007, 15:44

Heres the link to the program:
http://www.ldscatalog.com/webapp/wcs/st ... &cg4=&cg5=

Download these two..

77065000-S Personal Ancestral File 5.2.18.0 - Multi-Language (9.7 MB)
50128000-S Personal Ancestral File Companion 5.2 Basic Version (8.46 MB)

They also have a lot of other great info: Films can be ordered from Castiglione..

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library ... umns=*,0,0
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Postby MikeSavoca91 » 23 Jan 2007, 15:48

Thank you, I have been asking questions about my family forever and as i got older and could work the computer I kept at it. I have reconected with cousins who are in their late 80's and the family hasn't spoken to in 40-50 years. I love it, and really want to put a name to as many people ask I can I dont want anyone to be forgotten, so I sit, type, read, and listen to Dean Martin putting names to long gone faces. And all the while learning about where I come from as well. The Maria Farfaglia on Ellis is to old, my great grandma was born 3/3/1903. This is such fun and gives me a good feeling to know there are people out there whe are willing to someone.

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Postby nuccia » 23 Jan 2007, 15:57

Dean Martin? Not too many 15 year olds I know (including my son) even know who that is :wink:

Nice to connect with family..hope you decide to take a family history course..this could be your calling!

Speaking of callings,,,,One other question ..why aren't you at school? Not that its any of my business..that the mom in me talking. :lol: :lol: At least you're doing something productive...but don't forget to have fun and get out. This hobby is addicting.

Ok, lets see if we can find your great grandmother and some other info.

Mike we're all here to help. Some of the info we post comes from paid for subscription sites just as www.ancestry.com. Not sure if you can/want to invest as it can be costly but you have a look and decide.

If you are using Internet Explorer you can find the addresses of the town from this site..I found it doesn't work with Firefox though. Go to the left hand side of the screen to database. Click on the location link.
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Postby nuccia » 23 Jan 2007, 16:03

Theres this Maria born in 1903..

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Maria Farfaglia
Name: Maria Farfaglia
Estimated birth year: abt 1903
Age: 13
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Palermo, Italy
Ethnicity/Race/Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Ship Name: Patria
Search Ship Database: View the Patria in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: Sicily
Line: 22
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_2474
Birth Location: Sicily
Birth Location Other: antipuo
Page Number: 90

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Source Citation: Year: 1916; Microfilm serial: T715; Microfilm roll: T715_2474; Line: 22; .

Is it her??
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Postby nuccia » 23 Jan 2007, 16:18

More about Carmelo..

1910 United States Federal Census
about Carmelo Savoca
Name: Carmelo Savoca
Age in 1910: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Lodger
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Home in 1910: Brooklyn Ward 6, Kings, New York
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1908
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Household Members:
Name Age
Frank Allegro 43
Domenico Allegro 38
Josie Allegro 4
Isabelle Allegro 1
Carmello Giannetto 43
Francesco Giannetto 25
Salvatore Spinale 41
Carmelo Savoca 31
Francesco Calabrese 40
Antonio Faunce 28
Carmelo Finocchio 25
Emilode Santiz 29
Paola Massino 23
Antonio Canpisi 22
Natale Lavaro 30
Joseph Avard 26

Looks like the trip he made with Giovanni may not have been his first trip as he was in New York for the 1910 Census. Also looks like Giovanni made a previous trip to the one in 1913...

Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Brooklyn Ward 6, Kings, New York; Roll: T624_956; Page: 1B; Enumeration District: 72; Image: 1121.
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Postby MikeSavoca91 » 23 Jan 2007, 16:25

I have mid-terms so i only had to go for one test in the morning and I got to come home...and YES IT'S HER!!!!! So now i see that i have cousins from Sicily that are here that I didn't know about. This is a big break for me, thank you so much. Where did you find that? And as for Dino, he is mostly what i listen to. That's pretty cool that you have a son that's my age, whats his name?

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Postby nuccia » 23 Jan 2007, 16:28

Giovanni's trips..also travelling with Farfaglia's..
http://stevemorse.org/goulnik/match1.ph ... &dwpdone=1

Heres an interesting 1920 Census..

1920 United States Federal Census
about Cartano Savoca
Name: Cartano Savoca
[Gaetano Savoca]
Home in 1920: Albany Ward 5, Albany, New York
Age: 49 years
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Father-in-law
Spouse's name: Concetta
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Year of Immigration: 1905
Able to read: No
Able to Write: No
Image: 687
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Household Members:
Name Age
Antonerio Giaemi 33
Carmela Giaemi 24
Tony Giaemi 6
Sony Giaemi 5
Salvador Giaemi 10/12
Cartano Savoca 49
Concetta Savoca 48
Vincenza Savoca 23
Joseph Savoca 16
Salvador Savoca 3 2/12

I'll link if it looks like it may be of interest. I'm beginning to think your great great great grandfathers name was Vincenzo..everyone called their first born son Vincent..

Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Albany Ward 5, Albany, New York; Roll: T625_1081; Page: 5B; Enumeration District: 26; Image: 687.
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