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Italian Vital Records

Postby Ricky1016 » 20 Feb 2007, 16:55

Does Italy have like a national vital records dept. simmilar to the U.S? My gg-grandfather immigrated to the U.S, then later decided to go back to Italy, where he later died. I was hoping to obtain his death-cdertificate, but I wasn't sure there was any such thing.

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Re: Italian Vital Records

Postby vj » 20 Feb 2007, 17:12

Hi!
The short answer is, Italian records are kept at the local level.
You'll need to know the town...
For reference:
Italian Records
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Re: Italian Vital Records

Postby Ricky1016 » 22 Feb 2007, 22:54

Oh, thanks!! Sounds a lot different from the U.S!

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Re: Italian Vital Records

Postby wldspirit » 23 Feb 2007, 08:15

If you know the town of interest, you can use this request form to send for the record:

http://www.circolocalabrese.org/resourc ... civile.asp

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Re: Italian Vital Records

Postby Ricky1016 » 23 Feb 2007, 15:06

WoW!! That's really convenient, I'm going to have to book-mark that page!!

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Re: Italian Vital Records

Postby wldspirit » 23 Feb 2007, 18:34

Glad you found it useful..... :)
Good luck in your research!!
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Re: Italian Vital Records

Postby agripofi » 25 Feb 2007, 13:36

It is interesting to hear Ricky's observation: "Oh, thanks!! Sounds a lot different from the U.S!"

I hear this from many Italian Americans, and it is clear that the Americans consider others who don't have a system set up like them, they are not up to date, (and one could comment back why they are steel not adopting the metric system, much easier, less time consuming, and much more accurate.. but that is another issue!) ( and, by the way.. I am not sure if in America you can really find records online of every American!).

I am sorry to say in reply to Ricky, and my reply is not personal, but general to all others who raise this kind of comment.. like "oh but in America we do it differently, oh but in America we dont do that!) ) that in Italy ( and I do researches since 1977, for hobby), and but I have been many times to check many records both at the anagrafe and at the Churches in many towns in italy, and when the records have not been destroyed by floods or by wars, it is possible ( in 90% of the cases) to trace back families as far as late 1500.
Question: is this possible in America?

I apologize to Nuccia for my reaction, but I couldn't hold my self to give my reply to this type of comments, and I would like to conclude with saying that Italy has come a long way since our great ancestor left that country to come to this continent, and even if in some cases we are behind, mostly due to the politics and beaurocracy) , in many others we are very advanced.

For instance: if you go to italy to a grocery store try to touch your fruit or veggies or your bread with bare hands ( there are disposable trasparent gloves that can be used)!
Compare that with here, and then let me know your comment!
Ciao a tutti e buona giornata.
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PS - I am i private person and of course, I am sure this doesnt reflect this website's mentality, but I hope I added some spice to this and I expect many rections and topics for discussion!

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Re: Italian Vital Records

Postby VaDeb » 25 Feb 2007, 15:32

Hi Tony,

I don't think any of the comments in this post were meant to be a criticism of Italy or the Italian way of doing things. Also, there in some information that is not quite factual.

Ricky 1016 wrote:
Does Italy have like a national vital records dept. simmilar to the U.S?

The USA does not have a national vital records department. No such thing exists. We do have a social security death index that is national and can be refered to. It does not include all who died. There are many who are not listed in this. Today, records in the USA are kept on a state level. In some states you can also request records on a county level. In researching historical records you may have to research on the county level as counties did not always report their information to the state in the past.

In Italy records are kept by each commune, or town. So, to be factual research in Italy is different that the USA as one must identify the town in order to request a record. Depending on the age of a record it may be in a provincial archive.

This is what vj and wildsprirt were implying with their answers. Sometimes we answer the same or similar question over and over again. As a result all the detail is not always written. Their answers were correct. The original poster's faulty statement of national vital records here in the USA was not corrected though.

I hope I have not offended anyone. That is not my intent. This is a great site. Many spend HOURS researching for others with their only intent to help. I have been traveling alot lately and not been as active on this board as in the past. I do try and read from time to time and keep up. Lisa and Valerie both provide a great service here.

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Re: Italian Vital Records

Postby agripofi » 26 Feb 2007, 11:11

Debbie,
Are you the coordinator of this website?

If you are, I think you should let the people answer, and not you.
In my opinion, It would make your website more creative.

You see, since you have answered now no one is going to reply my povocative letter! And, the intent was exactly that: to ignite a sort of reaction which would bring to a constructive discussion on various topics.
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Re: Italian Vital Records

Postby JamesBianco » 26 Feb 2007, 19:32

agripofi wrote:It is interesting to hear Ricky's observation: "Oh, thanks!! Sounds a lot different from the U.S!"

I hear this from many Italian Americans, and it is clear that the Americans consider others who don't have a system set up like them, they are not up to date, (and one could comment back why they are steel not adopting the metric system, much easier, less time consuming, and much more accurate.. but that is another issue!) ( and, by the way.. I am not sure if in America you can really find records online of every American!).



Interesting, what I got from Ricky was that the system was different. I didn't sense he was making any sort of comparative analysis. It appears that you are making a rush judgement, on the defensive perhaps.

In Italy, while vital records are kept by each town, there is a uniformity which has been established on a national level (after 1871 that is to say).

In the US there has never been Federal involvement in the keeping of vital records, States allow the towns to record as they please, usually requiring a duplicate sent to the State Capital. What you have as a result are systems of recording vital records which varry to an incredible degree.

Sounds DIFFERENT doesn't it? Well yes, because it IS different.


Pretty much the point Ricky was making, at least that is my take.

:)

(and to be honest I think almost ANYONE who uses Italian Civil Records will agree from a genealogical standpoint that they are far superior to anything we have here in terms of content)

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Re: Italian Vital Records

Postby agripofi » 27 Feb 2007, 01:32

you still, are trying to divert people's attentionbut, it's ok.

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Re: Italian Vital Records

Postby JamesBianco » 27 Feb 2007, 02:52

I am not trying to divert anyone's attention. I will be the first to declare the civil (and church) records in Italy are far better organized, and much more complete (not to mention older) than most of what you find in The United States.

For example on my website www.cariniexchange.com I have the church records for my grandmother's small Sicilian town (Carini (PA)) online and searchable 1527-1905. The oldest record you might expect to find in the US would be about 1620 and only in the Northeast.

However, the point is that he was not attempting to make any sort of negative statement about Italian civil registrations, only to point out they are held differently.
I naturally prefer the Italian method (especially the incredible Anagrafe which you mention... they have provided a goldmine of information on my family).

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Re: Italian Vital Records

Postby agripofi » 27 Feb 2007, 17:41

Ok whatever your name is - you might be right, I understand Ricky did not make any criticism ( but as I said mine was more a spark to ignite a discussion.. but it seems that the discussion is only between you.. and you) , i cannot understand why you have to intervene on behalf of the other people whom things might be addressed to.
You remind me of Pippo Baudo on the Italian RAI ...he inteviews people but it is him that asks questions and provides answers for them
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Re: Italian Vital Records

Postby agripofi » 27 Feb 2007, 17:49

I apologize James, but I didnt realize your name was there on the upper corner - also I apologize for the fact that I was under the impression that it had been always the same person commenting my comments
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Re: Italian Vital Records

Postby Ricky1016 » 28 Feb 2007, 01:45

agripofi,

O.k. first of all, I don't know where you get off making those remarks about my post. All I was saying is they're different and I'm still learning about everything...I'm freaking 16 years old and a sophomore in highschool! Sorry, but this forum don't need any drama, so keep your comments to yourself.


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