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Need help locating a ship manifest

Postby JIMMYSAL » 22 Feb 2007, 05:30

I am trying to locate a ship manifest for my maternal Great Grandfather and maternal Great Great Grandparents. I have been unsuccessful so far. I would appreciate if anyone could help me. I know very little about them, but I will tell what I know. My GG Grandparents names are Giuseppe and Francesca Croce. Their son's name is Premo Croce, which is my Great Grandfather. The only record I've found so far is the 1920 census, which has Giuseppe immigrating from Italy in 1910 and Francesca and Premo immigrating in 1913. I think Giuseppe went to Washington D.C. and Francesca and Premo met him there. They stayed there until the late teens and then they moved to Camden, New Jersey were they spent the rest of their lives. When they came to the states their surname was transcribed incorrectly somewhere along the line. Their official name is Croce, but they used the misspelled name "Croge" for the rest of their lives. I tried to attach the 1920 census record, but I was having problems. Could someone attach it for me? The name is spelled Premo Crage residence Camden, New Jersey. :D Thank You!!!! :D

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Postby nuccia » 22 Feb 2007, 05:55

1920 United States Federal Census
about Premo Crage
Name: Premo Crage
[Premo Croge]
Home in 1920: Camden Ward 12, Camden, New Jersey
Age: 10 years
Estimated birth year: abt 1910
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father's name: Joseph
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's name: Francis
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Sex: Male
Year of Immigration: 1913
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 42
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Crage 37
Francis Crage 35
Premo Crage 10
Dominick Crage 5
Frank Crage 4 7/12
Samuel Crage 3 3/12
Minnie Crage 1 2/12
Layair Botsis 45
James Spaniel 44
John Gerner 44

Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Camden Ward 12, Camden, New Jersey; Roll: T625_1024; Page: 2B; Enumeration District: 80; Image: 42.

1920 Census

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Re: Need help locating a ship manifest

Postby nuccia » 22 Feb 2007, 05:59

I'm sure you have this info but I'll post anyway..

Social Security Death Index
about Premo Croge
Name: Premo Croge
SSN: xxx-xx-xxxx
Last Residence: 08110 Pennsauken, Camden, New Jersey, United States of America
Born: 29 Apr 1909
Died: Sep 1981
State (Year) SSN issued: New Jersey (Before 1951 )
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Re: Need help locating a ship manifest

Postby nuccia » 22 Feb 2007, 06:11

Could this be your Premo?

Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1945
about Primo Croce
Name: Primo Croce
Arrival Date: 15 Oct 1913
Age: 4 Years
Estimated birth year: abt 1909
Gender: Male
Ethnic Background: Italian (South) (Italian)
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Ship Name: Ancona
Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Friend's Name: Guiseppe Croce
Last Residence: Italy
Birthplace: Cerano, Italy
Microfilm Roll Number: T840_120

Source Citation: Roll: T840_120; Line: 14.

Premo Croco Manifest Page 1

Page 2

Is traveling with his mother, Francesca Foca.

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Re: Need help locating a ship manifest

Postby JIMMYSAL » 22 Feb 2007, 06:22

Hey Nuccia,
That looks like it. It does'nt get any closer then that.
Thank you :D

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Re: Need help locating a ship manifest

Postby JIMMYSAL » 22 Feb 2007, 06:51

Do you think they made a mistake on Francesca's surname? Could that be her maiden name? She claims to be joining her husband Giuseppe, which means they married in Italy before they came. It does'nt make sense why her surname is'nt Croce.

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Re: Need help locating a ship manifest

Postby Biff83 » 22 Feb 2007, 13:11

It was common for married women to use their maiden names particularly when travelling without their husbands.

Possible ship manifest for Giuseppe Croce

Moltke, out of Naples, arrived NY 4 Sep 1906
Giuseppe Croce, yob about 1882, male, single
Last residence, looks like Campli
Desitnation Philadelphia PA

Having trouble with imageshack this AM so I've linked the Ellis Island site record.

http://www.ellisisland.org/search/shipm ... 0142100051

The above might be your ggrandfather if he came to the states unmarried, returned to Italy, was married and then came back. If that's the case, we need to locate another manifest.

In relooking at Francesca and Premo's manifest, their last residence appears to be Campli, and the birth town at second look could be Teramo in the same province as Campli. Need a second or third set of eyes to make sure I'm not seeing things.
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Re: Need help locating a ship manifest

Postby wldspirit » 22 Feb 2007, 14:00

Italian women do not lose their surname as American women do.
It is still common practice in Italy for women to use their maiden name,
which is why you find them traveling under their maiden name on ship manifest......after arriving, they then adopted the American custom of taking their husbands surname.

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Re: Need help locating a ship manifest

Postby vj » 22 Feb 2007, 14:12

In relooking at Francesca and Premo's manifest, their last residence appears to be Campli, and the birth town at second look could be Teramo in the same province as Campli. Need a second or third set of eyes to make sure I'm not seeing things

Biff, I see Teramo also.

Checking current names in

Campli: no Croce
Teramo: 27 Croce

Campli: 3 Foco
Teramo: no Foco

(Foca - neither town)
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Re: Need help locating a ship manifest

Postby Biff83 » 22 Feb 2007, 16:02

1930 Census for Giuseppe/Francesa and family

Same address as 1920 census
New Jersey, Camden, Camden
2311 Carman Street

Listed as Joseph Kroc on census record and on Ancestry.

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2733 ... 930lx5.jpg

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Re: Need help locating a ship manifest

Postby vj » 22 Feb 2007, 18:25

Great call Biff!
The above might be your ggrandfather if he came to the states unmarried, returned to Italy, was married and then came back. If that's the case, we need to locate another manifest

another manifest?

possible 1910 manifest
page 2
Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1945

Line 17
Name: Guiseppe Croce

Arrival Date: 11 May 1910
Ship Name: Verona
Port of Departure: Naples
Port of Arrival: Philadelphia

Age: 27 Years
Estimated birth year: abt 1883

Last Residence: Campli
Wife: Francesca in Campli
Birthplace: Cesmace? Italy
In Phila 1907-1909
Joining Cousin Vincenzo Di Pietro

Microfilm Roll Number: T840_78
Note: possible naturalization notations

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Re: Need help locating a ship manifest

Postby Biff83 » 22 Feb 2007, 18:53

Valerie,

It appears that the 1906 and 1910 ship manifests belong to the correct Giuseppe Croce with the strongest evidence being the 1910 manifest that shows he was previously in Philadelphia and his wife's name as Francesca Having a devil of a time making out his birth place on the 1910 manifest. Take a look at the map below and see if you find any candidates. I'll do the same.

http://www.italycyberguide.com/Geograph ... eramop.htm
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Re: Need help locating a ship manifest

Postby vj » 22 Feb 2007, 19:01

Biff, great map!
Look up a couple of lines on the 1910 manifest -
same town?
Ces---??
Valarie

maybe
Cesano - comune: Valle Castellana - province: Teramo - region: Abruzzo
very close to Campli on your map

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Re: Need help locating a ship manifest

Postby wldspirit » 22 Feb 2007, 19:09

Using the following site, which allows for a partial name search:
CES:
TERAMO CESACASTINA TERAMO CESANO

MACE:
to many results to list!!!!

http://www.landfinder.it/townfinder.asp ... INGLESE&p=

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Re: Need help locating a ship manifest

Postby nuccia » 22 Feb 2007, 19:18

Hi everyone!

Glad its the correct manifest Jimmysal and look at all the extra info everyone provided!

:D Great team effort. :D
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