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Postby Gina501 » 27 Jun 2007, 14:00

I need some research help please!

I cannot find anything other than a record of passage and a WW1 draft card for my ancestor. His name was Ernesto Scarani and he was from Pecorara, Piacenza. He was born on August 18, 1888 and came to America from LeHavre on April 22, 1911.

I would appreciate anything you can find on him. I seem to be stuck, or do not know how to research properly yet. THANKS!
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Postby vj » 27 Jun 2007, 14:05

Hi Gina!
For everyone's reference, is this his manifest?
1911 manifest
page 2
edit: added detail
29 Apr 1911 SS La Lorraine LeHavre to NY
Line 6
Ernesto Scarani 22 (abt 1888-9)
- possible naturalization notations
2-239238 8/30/32 Rech 12/9/37
- single
- last residence Pecorara
- in Pecorara father Giuseppe
- destination NY
edit: uncle's name correction
- joining uncle Ant. Dallavalle at 337 E 4th St NY
- born in Pecorara (Piacenza, Emilia-Romagna)

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Postby Gina501 » 27 Jun 2007, 14:08

yes ma'am, it is.... thanks. Sorry about that.
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Postby vj » 27 Jun 2007, 14:17

Hey Gina,
Not to worry, only took a second with your information
Just putting it up to give us some clues :D
Have you had any success locating his possible
naturalization paperwork?
Valarie

edit:added info
From Lou Alfano's Manifest Info
this resource it appears he may have
naturalization paperwork in New York
(The first # 2, would be NY NY)
Nice work Biff! :D

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Postby Biff83 » 27 Jun 2007, 14:22

Southern District Court of NY Naturalization Records Index
1907 - 1959

Surname First Name Age Petition # Date of Certificate Apprx yob

Scarani Ernesto 49 303179 05/09/1938 1889
Scarani Mary 45 320212 05/15/1939 1894
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Postby Gina501 » 27 Jun 2007, 14:22

I have not been able to locate the naturalization papers. Where do I look?
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Postby Gina501 » 27 Jun 2007, 14:25

Thanks Biff.....as usual! I will send for those records now. I was on the phone with Ernesto's granddaughter yesterday. We are trying to find all the records we can.
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Postby vj » 27 Jun 2007, 14:33

Is this the correct census?
Looks like a 1920 immigration year?
Another manifest?
Or wrong census?

possible 1930 census
edit: added detail

Home in 1930:
315 E 104th St
Manhattan, New York, New York
Ernest Scrvani 42 (abt 1888) IT
- married age 26 (abt 1914)
- immig 1920 Al
- laborer, building
Mary Scrvani 37 (abt 1893) IT
- married age 21
- immig 1920 Al
Alice Scrvani 14 (abt 1916) NY
Henry Scrvani 10 (abt 1920) NY
Mamie Scrvani 5 (abt 1925) NY

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Postby Gina501 » 27 Jun 2007, 14:35

Absolutely correct! Alice is the mother of the woman I was talking to yesterday. I have not been able to find any censuses. NOw I know why.
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Postby Biff83 » 27 Jun 2007, 14:42

Gina,
On his WWI Draft card it shows he served in the Italian army, so there should be a military record available.

WWI Draft Card
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Postby Gina501 » 27 Jun 2007, 14:47

Thanks Biff. I missed that. I found his WWII draft card but not this one. Thanks. I will write to Piacenza for his Italian military record. I am familiar with them!
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Postby denman922 » 27 Jun 2007, 14:48

315 E 104th St

today, that area is known as Spanish Harlem, prior to that it was known as Italian Harlem. There is a wealth of information on the web on the history of Italian Harlem. I have ancestors that lived there at one time.

www.mountcarmelofeastharlem.com/italianharlem.html
Descendant of Rotolo of Rizziconi, Cabriel/Gabriel of Belluno(BL), Froner,Ell,Ognibeni,Moschen of Levico Terme(TN), Libardi,Avancini of Barco di Levico(TN), Bernardi of Ponte nelle Alpi(BL), Metz of Bronzolo(BZ), Bonatti of Martello (BZ),Atz of Salorno(BZ

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Postby vj » 27 Jun 2007, 14:49

Same address in 1920

possible 1920 census

Home in 1920:
edit: detail added
315 E 104th Street
Manhattan Assembly District 18, New York, New York
head Ernesto Scale 32 (abt 1888) IT
- immig 1910 Al
- laborer building
wife Maria Scale 26 (abt 1894) IT
- immig 1909 Al
daughter Lucia Scale 4 3/12 (abt Sep 1915) NY
son Giuseppe Scale 2 6/12 (abt Jun 1917) NY
boarder Luigi Albereci 56

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Postby Gina501 » 27 Jun 2007, 14:53

great site Denman. Believe it or not, Ernest and Mary's son Henry died 10 years ago and when he died he was still living in that same apartment.
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Postby Biff83 » 27 Jun 2007, 14:55

NYC Grooms Index from IGG
Scarani Ernesto May 17 1914 Manhattan 12453

Possible child of Ernesto and Mary. Note the number of children on Ernesto's WWI Draft card was two but on the 1930 census only one child is shown born before 1919.
NYC Death Index
Scarani Joseph 6 y May 30 1923 15558 Manhattan 1916 - 1917
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