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Renaldi/Rinaldi/Masturzi

Postby cembn5 » 18 Nov 2007, 00:51

I'm trying to find information on my great great g'parents that came from Napoli, Italy in 1885/6 via argentina.

Their names are Louisa Renaldi (Masturzi is maiden name) and Antonio Renaldi (also spelled Rinaldi).

I have been told they left Italy for Argentina then to USA.

Can anyone guide me in a direction that would help?
thanks so much!

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Re: Renaldi/Rinaldi/Masturzi

Postby BillieDeKid » 18 Nov 2007, 07:50

Hi cembn5 and welcome to the forum. This is all I could find for Rinaldi spelling - going to Argentina from Italy. Nothing for Masturzi. I haven't had any luck with manifest coming in to America. The red highlighted info are for married - the others were single.

Surname - RINALDI
Name - ANTONIO
Parentela
Age - 28
Sex - M
Marital status - Celibe/Nubile
Occupation - MINERO
Religion - Cattolico
Port of embarkment - HAVRE
Name of the ship - PAMPA
Date of arrival - 27-12-1887
Literacy - Sa
Travel compartment

Surname - RINALDI
Name - ANTONIO
Parentela
Age - 21
Sex - M
Marital status - Celibe/Nubile
Occupation - JORNALERO
Religion - Cattolico
Port of embarkment - GENOVA
Name of the ship - INIZIATIVA
Date of arrival - 21-12-1887
Literacy - Sa
Travel compartment

Surname - RINALDI
Name - ANTONIO
Parentela
Age - 36
Sex - M
Marital status - Sposato/a
Occupation - JORNALERO
Religion - Cattolico
Port of embarkment - NAPOLES
Name of the ship - NORD AMERICA
Date of arrival - 27-04-1886
Literacy - Non sa
Travel compartment

Surname - RINALDI
Name - ANTONIO
Parentela
Age - 36
Sex - M
Marital status - Sposato/a
Occupation - JORNALERO
Religion - Cattolico
Port of embarkment - GENOVA
Name of the ship - GIAVA
Date of arrival - 19-01-1886
Literacy - Sa
Travel compartment

Surname - RINALDI
Name - ANTONIO
Parentela
Age - 47
Sex - M
Marital status - Sposato/a
Occupation - JORNALERO
Religion - Cattolico
Port of embarkment - GENOVA
Name of the ship - GERGOVIA
Date of arrival - 26-12-1884
Literacy - Non sa
Travel compartment

Surname -RINALDI
Name - ANTONIO
Parentela
Age - 42
Sex - M
Marital status - Sposato/a
Occupation - AGRICULTOR
Religion - Cattolico
Port of embarkment - NAPOLES
Name of the ship - RIO NEGRO
Date of arrival - 12-01-1884
Literacy - Sa
Travel compartment


Can you give any other details - their parents names, childrens names and years of birth, if children were born in Italy Argentina or America. Were any trips made back and forth from america to Italy? Where did they settle in america? etc. The more detail you can give the easier it will be to get you some help.

I will search a bit more tomorrow. Hopefully other members of the forum will jump in to help you.

Regards,
Elizabeth

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Re: Renaldi/Rinaldi/Masturzi

Postby cembn5 » 18 Nov 2007, 08:01

I know Antonio was born 7 Jul 1858 in Naples, Italy. Luisa was born 15 Oct 1867. I do not know any of the parents names of them.
children were
Leo Anthony 12/20/1894 born in Connecticut
Henry 4/15/1904 born in Connecticut
Netti born 1898
Peter born 4/10/1907
Mary b 1903
Annie 1882
Charles 1908
Jennie 4/17/1885 - I learned this child was conceived on the ship from Italy to Argentina. I found records that she was born in Italy though.
Ralph b 10/1890 in Connecticut
Louisa b 1910 in Connecticut

I do not know of any trips back and forth to Italy. They settled
in Litchfield County, Connecticut. I show them on the 1910 census in usa. it shows antonio came in 1885 and Luisa in 1886 and that he was naturalized in 1894 but I cannot find any info to validate this information.

Thanks so so much for the help on this!!!

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Re: Renaldi/Rinaldi/Masturzi

Postby vj » 18 Nov 2007, 17:53

Note: missing Jennie b 17 Apr 1885 in IT?

For reference:
1910 census
Home in 1910:
Harwinton, Litchfield, Connecticut
Antonio Renaldi 52 (abt 1856) IT
- married 24 yrs (abt 1886??)
- imig 1885 Na
Louisa Renaldi 42 (abt 1868) IT
- 13 children born, 13 children living
- immig 1886
(these) children all born in CT
Ralph Renaldi 19
Annie Renaldi 18
Leo Renaldi 17
Winnie Renaldi 15
Mary Renaldi 13
Lewis Renaldi 9
Altona Renaldi 8
Maria Renaldi 7
Henry Renaldi 5
Peter Renaldi 3
Charles Renaldi 2
Louisa Renaldi 1 4/12
Nevie Renaldi 12 ??

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Re: Renaldi/Rinaldi/Masturzi

Postby suanj » 18 Nov 2007, 18:03

I found this record:
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Luisa Mastursi
Name: Luisa Mastursi
Arrival Date: 5 Oct 1886
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Age: 21
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Destination: New York
Place of Origin: Italy
Ethnicity/Race?/Nationality: Italian
Ship Name: Trinacria
Search Ship Database: Search the Trinacria in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York
Line: 8
Microfilm Serial: M237
Microfilm Roll: M237_499
List Number: 1212
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States

it could be your Luisa?
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Re: Renaldi/Rinaldi/Masturzi

Postby vj » 18 Nov 2007, 18:20

suanj's :D manifest find
Oct 1886 manifest

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1910 census
Home in 1900:
Harwinton, Litchfield, Connecticut
Antonina Renaldo 41 (Aug 1858)
- immig 1885 Al, in US 15 yrs
- married 17 yrs (abt 1883)
Louise Renaldo 32 (Apr 1868)
- immig 1886, in US 14 yrs
- 11 children born, 10 children living
Jennie Renaldo 15 (Apr 1885)
- immig 1886, in US 14 yrs
Alfred Renaldo 13 (Aug 1886?)** CT
Joseph Renaldo 11
Ralph Renaldo 9
Annie Renaldo 8
Leo Renaldo 6
Rosa Renaldo 4
Minnie Renaldo 3
Nettie Renaldo 2
Louie Renaldo 9.12
---

** If this is son Alfred’s WWI Card,
he states he was born in 1887
1917 WWI Card

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Re: Renaldi/Rinaldi/Masturzi

Postby vj » 18 Nov 2007, 18:59

According to the 1920 census,
Antonio naturalized 1904???
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Do you have Antonio Renaldi's naturalization paperwork?
Often the ship & date are mentioned
finding naturalization records

1920 census
Home in 1920:
Farm, Laurel Hill
Harwinton, Litchfield, Connecticut
Antonio Renaldi 61
Louise Renaldi 51
Harry Renaldi 15
Nettie Renaldi 21
Mary Renaldi 17
Peter Renaldi 12
Charles Renaldi 10
Louisa Renaldi 9

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Re: Renaldi/Rinaldi/Masturzi

Postby cembn5 » 18 Nov 2007, 20:12

Wow....this is fantastic! Thanks so much for all the information!!! Im curious about the ship's registry from Oct 1886. It shows her as married but uses Masturzi as her last name which is her maiden name. odd. And if she had Jennie in Italy then where is she on the registry???

I have totally been unable to find any naturalization record for Antonio. I even browsed the site by year and couldnt find any record on him. Is there any way to find this information through another source?

The 1900 census shows one child died - mother of 11 but 10 living. How do I find more info on that?

Thank you to everyone for helping. I'm so thankful to have the information!

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Re: Renaldi/Rinaldi/Masturzi

Postby suanj » 18 Nov 2007, 20:50

and also:
Louisa Masturzi Pedigree
Female Family


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Event(s):
Birth: About 1860 Napoli, Napoli, Italy

Christening:
Death: 01 FEB 1956 Torrington, Litchfield, Connecticut

Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: Antonio Renaldi Family
Marriage: About 1884 , , Italy

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1 travel of Antonio Rinaldi of 1924
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Re: Renaldi/Rinaldi/Masturzi

Postby cembn5 » 18 Nov 2007, 21:14

It looks like Antonio may have traveled back to Italy maybe other times too.... I'm guessing his side of the family must have remained in Italy and he went to visit. Was it because of the address that you could locate that this was the right Antonio...it seems his name was quite popular. Thanks Suanj for your time you've spent on that. I really appreciate it!!!!!

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Re: Renaldi/Rinaldi/Masturzi

Postby cembn5 » 18 Nov 2007, 21:15

what is the H334240 that is listed on that document? Could that be his naturalization document number??

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Re: Renaldi/Rinaldi/Masturzi

Postby Sirena » 18 Nov 2007, 22:41

Most Italian women keep their maiden name; however, those married here usually change it.

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Re: Renaldi/Rinaldi/Masturzi

Postby cembn5 » 18 Nov 2007, 23:07

I read somewhere that there was also something in italian heritage that said the kids were named like the first boy was named after the dad's dad and the second after the mom's dad.....so could that tell me antonio & Louisa's parents names by using that "rule"??

So if the woman used her maiden name then when they got to us was it changed to their married name or did they assume it? because the census has rinaldi as their family name.

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Re: Renaldi/Rinaldi/Masturzi

Postby BillieDeKid » 18 Nov 2007, 23:57

Typically the first boy was given his fathers fathers name and first girl was given fathers mothers name. Second son give his mothers fathers name and second girl mothers mothers name.

Italian women kept their own surname as was customary and upon coming to the US followed the US custom of using the husbands name. It was just assumed no official papers had to be filled out to say they were now taking their husbands surname.

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Re: Renaldi/Rinaldi/Masturzi

Postby gerald325i » 20 Nov 2007, 00:04

For passenger records of immigrants to Argentina, I use this website:
http://213.212.128.168/radici/ie/defaultie_e.htm

And the only Luisa and Antonio Rinaldi I find have an arrival date of 23-09-1907 via ship Ravenna. She was 15 and he was 17 y/o. Not what you're looking for I'm afraid, but the website might help you.

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