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san vittore de lazio

Postby giovannina » 02 Jan 2008, 01:06

I am searching for details about my grandparents and great grandparents. My grandfather came to the USA on the SS Oceania Aug 2 1910, from Napoli to Providence, RI. His name; Matteo Matrunolo.( 8-16-1881(?)-7-1-1940) My grand mother's name: Concetta Mancini. (8-16-1880-1-6-1940)

Matteo's parents names: Francesco Matrunolo and Giovannina Venditelli.
Concetta's parents names: Gabriele Mancini and Carmela Paccitto

all from San Vittore del Lazio

How do I access records..possibly church records? Anyone have clues, hints how to proceed...?

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Re: san vittore de lazio

Postby misbris » 02 Jan 2008, 16:52

The Family History Center has civil records for San Vittore del Lazio in the province of Frosinone. Here is the link.

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library ... umns=*,0,0

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Postby giovannina » 03 Jan 2008, 00:21

misbris wrote:The Family History Center has civil records for San Vittore del Lazio in the province of Frosinone. Here is the link.

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library ... umns=*,0,0
Thanks for the link. i went to it, but I'm new at this..how do I access the info there? Should I contact the Family History Center directly? Thanks for any leads..I'm a newbie at this.

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Postby misbris » 03 Jan 2008, 00:38

I don't know where you live, but the Mormon Church has Family History Centers all over the world. You can find the one closest to you on that same website. You have to go to the center to order the microfilm you want. It costs about $6.00 to rent each film and takes 3 or 4 weeks to get the film from Salt Lake City. You must view the film at the Center, but they usually can print info or burn cd's for a small fee. I have found the staff extremely helpful. However, because they are volunteers, hours are limited.

You can trace your family this way and then send to Italy if you want original documents.

My documents just came in, so I am really anxious to get started.

Good Luck and if you need more info, feel free to ask. (I gave you the short version)

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Postby Italysearcher » 06 Jan 2008, 21:02

San Vittore nel Lazio is VERY close to Cassino where one of the major battles of WW2 took place. Many towns lost all their civil records and many church records were also destroyed.
The records on microfilm are from 1809 to 1865 and I suspect you are looking for ones later than that, at least initially. You will need to contact the town directly to see if they have what you need. If their records were destroyed, the only ones they will have today are those reconstructed by the people actually living there after the war, which I suspect yours were not.
In this case the church is your only hope. If you send me a private message I will phone the priest for you and see if the records for that time survived.
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Postby GabrielM » 10 Jun 2010, 16:41

Just read your post about your grandfather. My name is Gabriele Antonio Mancini. My grandfather, Biagio, was the youngest son of nine and the only boy. Born in San Vittore, he came to america in 1917. Because he was the only son, it has been difficult to find the other family names associated with his sisters families. I saw the link for the registry but can't seem to navigate to it. Any direction is appreciated. One last note, Biagio's father was once a Swiss Guard at the vatican and I believe his name was also Gabriele.

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Postby GabrielM » 10 Jun 2010, 22:24

Yes it is. I guess he got here before the war. How would I go about finding his sisters and family in San Vittore?

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Postby GabrielM » 11 Jun 2010, 02:55

Since my grandfather was the only son, none of his sisters would go by mancini. As far as I can tell, from other sites, there are no mancinis living in san vittore. The one name I know is Musto and there are several living in san vittore. The trick now is to find the other sisters families. I also am not sure how many of my grandfather's siblings came to america. Can Ellis island records be searched for towns of origin?

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Re: san vittore de lazio

Postby pink67 » 11 Jun 2010, 06:38

Have you noticed that at his first arrival in 1911 Biagio stated he was joining his brother in law Antonio Jaconelli in Brooklyn?
Maybe he was Biagio's sister's husband...

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Postby pink67 » 11 Jun 2010, 06:54

This is a 1907 arrival for Antonio Jaconelli (possible Biagio's brother in law)...

I noticed he stated he was coming from S. Vittore, was married, and was joining his brother in law Zambardi Simone living on Sackett Street, Brooklyn...

Image:
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0007

from Ancestry.com here is the 1930 census for Biagio:

1930 United States Federal Census
about Biagio Mancinio
Name: Biagio Mancinio
Home in 1930: Brooklyn, Kings, New York
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Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1894
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's name: Anna J
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Biagio Mancinio 36
Anna J Mancinio 28
Marie Mancinio 8
Jessie Mancinio 5
Gabrill Mancinio 10/12

image:
http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Ts3iIAS

he was living next door to the family of Simone Zambardi, so possible these persons were related...

1913 arrival manifest for Antonio Jaconelli, leaving in Italy his wife Domenica, joining his brother in law Simone Zambardi, stating he was in the U.S. before.... So, maybe one of Biagio's siters was Domenica Mancini?

page 1:
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0003

page 2:
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0003

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Re: san vittore de lazio

Postby johnnyonthespot » 11 Jun 2010, 06:56

pink67 wrote:Have you noticed that at his first arrival in 1911 Biagio stated he was joining his brother in law Antonio Jaconelli in Brooklyn?
Maybe he was Biagio's sister's husband...

Laura


If so, keep in mind that the correct Italian spelling is almost certainly "Iacobelli" with an "I", not a "J". Technically, the standard Italian alphabet does not even contain a letter "J" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_alphabet ).

However, I see that there are a very small number of Jacobelli's in modern Italy, so I guess anything is possible:

22 Jacobelli's: http://www.paginebianche.it/execute.cgi ... =&dv=&ind=

522 Iacobelli's: http://www.paginebianche.it/execute.cgi ... &ind=&l=en
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Re: san vittore de lazio

Postby pink67 » 11 Jun 2010, 06:59

Yes! :D

One of Biagio's siters was Domenica Mancini...

10 september 1907
Mancini Domenica, age 22, married, coming from San Vittore del Lazio, leaving in Italy her father Gabriele, joining her husband Antonio Jaconelli, 144 - 22 street NYC

page 1:
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0006

page 2:
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0006

Considering that Antonio did several trips maybe she returned to her home in Italy?

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Re: san vittore de lazio

Postby johnnyonthespot » 11 Jun 2010, 07:11

Whoops! I just noticed that was supposed to be an "n" for "nelli", not a "b".

2 Jaconelli's: http://www.paginebianche.it/execute.cgi ... =&dv=&ind=

87 Iaconelli's: http://www.paginebianche.it/execute.cgi ... =&dv=&ind=
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