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Great-grandfather in Brasil

Postby Erbogi » 13 Jan 2008, 21:31

Hey there!
I was always told that my great-grandfather, Gennaro Santaniello who was born in 1888, went to the US and after that went to Brazil for a while before finally definitely settling in the US. For the US we have the Ellis Island records. Is there anything similar in Brazil?
Also, according to Ellis Island, he was from a town called Bracigliano, but they have no records on him, which leads me to think that perhaps the Ellis Island info on him isn't entirely accurate. Is there any way of finding out which town he was from?

Thanks for the help!!

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Re: Great-grandfather in Brasil

Postby vj » 13 Jan 2008, 22:09

Eric, have you seen his WWI & WWII Draft
Registration Cards? They may help. Where
did he live 1917-8 & 1942?
Valarie

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Re: Great-grandfather in Brasil

Postby Erbogi » 13 Jan 2008, 22:32

No, I haven't seen those. Where could I find those? I guess he was too old for WWII..

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Re: Great-grandfather in Brasil

Postby vj » 14 Jan 2008, 00:00

Draft Registration Cards can be found on ancestry.com
It‘s a paid subscription site, there is a ‘library edition‘
available at most libraries

We can help, if you have a bit more information…
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An explanation from ancestry.com:

Registration

The World War I draft consisted of three separate registrations.

First Registration.
The registration on 5 June 1917, was for men aged twenty-one to thirty-one:
men born between 6 June 1886 and 5 June 1896.

Second Registration.
The registration on 5 June 1918, was for men who had turned
twenty-one years of age since the previous registration:
men born between 6 June 1896 and 5 June 1897.
Men who had not previously registered and were not already in the military also registered.
In addition, a supplemental registration on 24 August 1918, was for men who turned
twenty-one years of age since 5 June 1918.

Third Registration.
The registration on 12 Sept 1918, was for men aged eighteen to twenty-one
and thirty-one to forty-five:
men born between 11 Sept 1872 and 12 Sept 1900.

WWII:
This database is an indexed collection of the draft cards from the Fourth Registration,
the only registration currently available to the public
(the other registrations are not available due to privacy laws).
The Fourth Registration, often referred to as the "old man's registration",
was conducted on 27 April 1942 and registered men who born on or between
28 April 1877 and 16 February 1897:
men who were between 45 and 64 years old - and who were not already in the military.

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Re: Great-grandfather in Brasil

Postby Erbogi » 14 Jan 2008, 00:24

Ok! I live in Europe at the moment. Do libraries worldwide have a library version?

So I do have some more information: He was married, in the US, to Maria Assunta Turcinelli (which in the US became Torcinelli). Their children were Onorato (Eddy), Bernardo (Benny), Filomena (my grandma Frances) and Regina (Virginia). They lived in Rochester, New York for a while, then Ithaca, NY and then Seneca Falls, NY. According to the Ellis Island records he arrived in the US in 1907, but, again, I'm not sure how accurate that is. According to their records he was born in 1890/1889, whereas according to his death certificate (that I found on FamilySearch.org) he was born in 1888. I'll have someone check his tombstone one of these days, as I forget.
Anything else that could help you?

Thanks again!

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Re: Great-grandfather in Brasil

Postby vj » 14 Jan 2008, 00:33

I live in Europe at the moment.
Do libraries worldwide have a library version?


Good question :D !
I guess you'll have to contact your library,
please let us know.
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Re: Great-grandfather in Brasil

Postby vj » 14 Jan 2008, 00:40

Gennaro Santaniello
1917 WWI Draft Registration Card
24 Jan 1888 in Fondi(?)
(date matches your SSDI from FamilySearch)

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Re: Great-grandfather in Brasil

Postby PeterTimber » 14 Jan 2008, 00:45

The social security death index www.ssdi.rootsweb.com reflects that he was born on January 24, 1888 and died in June 1971 in Seneca falls, NY. You c an obtain a copy of his original SS-5 social security application which contaions vital information and he MAY HAVE put down his town of origin or Italy (it is a gamble) along with his parents names. The copy costs $27.00 and you can obtain the SS-5 form letter when you go to his recorfd inthe above website.

He may have been born in the Salerno Province and there may be a military record for him which you may send an e-mail to cedoc-salerno@esercito,difesa.it and ask them if there is a foglio di Leva (service record) for him and his town of origin. Go to www.mangeruca.com for italian sentences you can send in an e-mail requesting service records in Italian. =Peter=

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Re: Great-grandfather in Brasil

Postby vj » 14 Jan 2008, 00:48

1930 census
Gennaro
- immig 1904, Naturalized
Maria
- immig 1910
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edit: added here to keep these records together
1910 census
Gennaro living with Turcinelli family
- immig 1907 Alien

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Re: Great-grandfather in Brasil

Postby Erbogi » 14 Jan 2008, 00:51

Ok!! I guess I'm gonna be writing some letters the coming days!!
Thanks again for the help you guys!!

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Re: Great-grandfather in Brasil

Postby PeterTimber » 14 Jan 2008, 00:52

no problemma!!=Peter=etal

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Re: Great-grandfather in Brasil

Postby Erbogi » 14 Jan 2008, 01:05

VJ, in the 1930 document does it say 'na' as response to the question whether or not they had been naturalized? Or does it say 'no'? What does 'na' stand for?
Also, on the ellis island website, I can find Maria's brother's and mother's documents, but not hers, whereas she should have been on that same ship they were on in 1910.

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Re: Great-grandfather in Brasil

Postby vj » 14 Jan 2008, 01:31

Pretty sure it's Na = naturalized
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From enumerator instructions

CITIZENSHIP, ETC.
178. Column 22. Year of immigration to the United States.
-This question applies to all foreign-born persons, male and female, of whatever age.
It should be answered, therefore, for every persons whose birthplace was in a foreign country.
Enter the year in which the person came to the United States.
If he has come into the United States more than once, give the year of his first arrival.

179. Column 23. Naturalization.
-This question applies to all foreign-born persons, male and female, or whatever age.
Prior to September 22, 1922, a foreign-born woman became a citizen when her husband was naturalized.
Since that date, she must take out papers in her own name, and if she does not do this she remains
an alien even though her husband becomes naturalized.
The question should be answered, therefore, for every person whose birthplace was in
a foreign country, as follows:

180. For a foreign-born male 21 years of age and over write "Na" (for "naturalized")
if he has either (1) taken out second or final naturalization papers,

or (2) become naturalized while under the age of 21 by the naturalization of either parent.

181. For a foreign-born female 21 years of age and over write "Na" if she has either
(1) taken out final papers,
or (2) become naturalized through the naturalization of either parent while she was under the age of 21,
or (3) if she became naturalized prior to 1922 by the naturalization of her husband. (See par. 179.)

182. For a foreign-born person under 21 years of age write "Na" if either parent has been naturalized.
This applies to infants and young children as well as to older persons under 21.

183. For all foreign-born persons who have not been naturalized but have taken out first papers
write "Pa" (for "papers").
Note that a person must be at least 18 years of age in order to take out first papers.
Minor children should not be returned "Pa" merely because their parents have taken
out first papers.

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Re: Great-grandfather in Brasil

Postby vj » 14 Jan 2008, 01:50

Manifest for Maria Assunta Turcinelli/Torcinelli
born abt 1890-1 (from Fondi)

possible 1909 manifest
page 2
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For reference:
Maria’s mother & siblings

Mar 1910 manifest
page 2
Lines 5-7

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Re: Great-grandfather in Brasil

Postby vj » 14 Jan 2008, 02:14

According to the Ellis Island records he arrived in the US in 1907,
but, again, I'm not sure how accurate that is.


Gennaro Santaniello 17
possible 1905 manifest


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