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military registration help please

Postby gennattasio » 30 Jan 2008, 15:56

When it was time for a person to register for the military if he had moved from his home town would he register where he was living at the time or would he have to reigister in his home town?

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Postby Italysearcher » 31 Jan 2008, 14:29

Even today in Italy the government keeps track of its citizens with identity cards and official residency permits. In the 1800's at least in Caserta names of all boy babies were taken from the baptism registers of the church, this is the Lista di Leva. This list was then checked with the deaths, to come up with a short list. From there, they were exempted based on wether they were married, disabled, sustainer of the family (oldest child when father was dead) etc. The rest were called to serve in the military. You would be surprised how many men married on the day, or just before they were due to be called!
If you changed towns, your name would be added to the LIST when you applied for your residency.
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Re: military registration help please

Postby gennattasio » 01 Feb 2008, 00:15

Thanks for the info. If a person changed towns would the town he lived in at the time or the town he was born have it's official stamp on the military document?

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Re: military registration help please

Postby Italysearcher » 01 Feb 2008, 10:45

The Lista di Leva is a local document as far as I know, and used to provide the military with a list of eligible persons. The military documents exist only if the person actually served in the military. Either way his town of birth should be clearly stated.
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Postby Poipuo4 » 01 Feb 2008, 14:10

I actually got my ggf's blank Lista di Leva from Reggio Calabria's archives. They still had a form for him that noted that he did not report and that he was in New York at the time he was called. There was still a small bit of biographical information: his mother and father's name, his town of birth and his birthdate. Of course, I already knew his birthdate and town of birth, which is why they were able to find the document for me. As another aside, my ggf moved from the town he was born in to a neighboring town and the Lista di Leva was filed under the birth town.
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Re: military registration help please

Postby ChrisMosca » 01 Feb 2008, 17:04

At what age did they had to enlist in the military in italy or was it not mandotory?
Looking for the surnames Mosca( Marches ), Pizzoglio (Piedmonte), Chiacchiera, Lobasso(Bari), Gallo(Malvito), Azzolina (Messina).

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Postby Italysearcher » 01 Feb 2008, 20:00

Thanks POIPUO good to know. So far I haven't come across that in Frosinone State Archives but then they told me they destroyed all the Lista di Leva due to lack of space. They only have the actual miltary service records on file. I have found them in the towns (if they survived).
Many Italians never returned home as they were told that they would be immediately enlisted if they set foot in the country, if they were under 21 when they left. Many who were 'called up' during the war were classified as deserters and were afraid to return home in case they were court marshalled.
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Re: military registration help please

Postby Poipuo4 » 04 Feb 2008, 16:45

My ggf's papers are from when he turned 20. I stand to be corrected, but I believe that they had to register at the age of 20.

Italysearcher: I also have a Lista di Leva for my other great grandfather from the Benevento provincial archives. He registered for the service but was rejected for service because he was too short! So, there is a record of his measurements, physical description, and some other biographical info., and a notation that he was too short to serve. This was pre-WWI. I have a feeling that once WWI rolled around, being 5 ft. tall was overlooked as an impediment to serve. He died before then. By the way, neither provincial archive charged me for this information. I do know that some other provinces do charge a nominal fee for copies.
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