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Trying to find grandfather's Birthplace in Calabria

Postby langelo » 23 Feb 2008, 20:58

I am trying to gather documents to obtain Italian dual citizenship through my paternal grandfather, Ignazio Girimonte.

This I know:

He had a family in San Giovanni in Fiore. His wife and several children were born there. I have been able to obtain my grandmother's and uncles birth certificates from San Giovanni in Fiore. However, there is no record of his birth or marriage in that comune.

I have written to numerous other comunes and to provinces di Consenza, Catanzaro and Crotone, but get no replies, despite requests with cash included.

His naturalization papers indicate he was born on May 18, 1857 but the birthplace is not noted. I have also checked passengers lists for ships entering Boston, New York and Canada and cannot locate him. He is listed on US census as being from "Italy".

I would love to get help with any Italian agencies that have vital records and who might answer my letters.

Thank you so much.

Lois

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Re: Trying to find grandfather's Birthplace in Calabria

Postby vj » 24 Feb 2008, 00:34

checked passengers lists for ships


Ignazio Girimonte

Possible 1890 manifest
(generally no town listed on manifests this early)

31 Mar 1890 SS Neustria, Naples to NY
Line 5
Transcribed as Sqoazio Ceremonte

Note: probably traveling with line 6

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Re: Trying to find grandfather's Birthplace in Calabria

Postby misbris » 24 Feb 2008, 01:30

Oh my gosh, how could you find that? You are amazing!!!!!

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Re: Trying to find grandfather's Birthplace in Calabria

Postby Biff83 » 24 Feb 2008, 01:47

Langelo,

You need to contact Bill Girimonti from Il Circolo Calabrese and La Famiglia Girimonte. He might be able to help.
http://girimonti.circolocalabrese.org/

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Re: Trying to find grandfather's Birthplace in Calabria

Postby DonnaPellegrin » 24 Feb 2008, 11:35

Hello Lois,
My ancestry is also from San Giovanni in Fiore and the surrounding villages. Do you know the names of Ignazio's parents?
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Re: Trying to find grandfather's Birthplace in Calabria

Postby suanj » 24 Feb 2008, 12:30

langelo wrote:I am trying to gather documents to obtain Italian dual citizenship through my paternal grandfather, Ignazio Girimonte.

This I know:

He had a family in San Giovanni in Fiore. His wife and several children were born there. I have been able to obtain my grandmother's and uncles birth certificates from San Giovanni in Fiore. However, there is no record of his birth or marriage in that comune.

I have written to numerous other comunes and to provinces di Consenza, Catanzaro and Crotone, but get no replies, despite requests with cash included.

His naturalization papers indicate he was born on May 18, 1857 but the birthplace is not noted. I have also checked passengers lists for ships entering Boston, New York and Canada and cannot locate him. He is listed on US census as being from "Italy".

I would love to get help with any Italian agencies that have vital records and who might answer my letters.

Thank you so much.

Lois

Hi lois, I know abt your genealogic tree on ancestry.. the better way for to know more, it is to find Filomena Bitonti ship's manifest; because she and the sons arrived in 1900, so maybe it will be possible know more...:
this is the 1930 census, and Philomena already widow
1930 United States Federal Census
about Philomena Geremonte
Name: Philomena Geremonte
Home in 1930: Stoneham, Middlesex, Massachusetts
Age: 69
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861

Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Philomena Geremonte 69
Josef Geremonte 43
Louis A Geremonte 27
Louis Ignatius Geremonte 5
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http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/9536 ... ntexs3.jpg

in 1930 she and Joseph son was naturalized, and the immigration year is always 1900...
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Re: Trying to find grandfather's Birthplace in Calabria

Postby underground » 24 Feb 2008, 13:39

langelo wrote:I have written to numerous other comunes and to provinces di Consenza, Catanzaro and Crotone, but get no replies, despite requests with cash included.


I think you letters have been stolen before arriving at destination. Try to contact Comune and Provincia asking alternative method to send money (money tranfer or similar) or ask at your local post office a secure method to send cash (in Italy this is called "posta assicurata").

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Re: Trying to find grandfather's Birthplace in Calabria

Postby suanj » 24 Feb 2008, 16:13

a my suggestion:
the better thing is to ask the LISTA DI LEVA in Cosenza's State Archive, needing of to know almost the probable birthyear... :


Ufficio di leva di Cosenza, ~011. 7 3 ( c l a s s i /birthyears from 1 8 4 2 - to 1 9 1 7 ) : (liste di leva >. Elenchi.
D i s t r e t t o m i l i t a r e d i C o s e n z a , r e g g . 2 9 5 ( c l a s s i /birthyears from 1843 to 1902):< Ruoli matricolari >. Rubriche.
Comprendono anche quelli del distretto militare di Castrovillari, soppresso nel 1930.

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Re: Trying to find grandfather's Birthplace in Calabria

Postby langelo » 24 Feb 2008, 20:19

Oh my gosh as well. Have scoured ships manifests previously but this looks like it might have some legs! Also, the info about checking on Filomena's ship. I have been in contact with Bill G., and he is also perplexed about my grandfather's lack of birth records in San Giovanni.

I believe his father was Antonio Girimonte and mother was Maria Greco. I was able to trace his nephew/brother up to that family. There is some discrepancy on Bill's website re: Ignazio. Interesting fact is that a middle sister Angela was born in Isola Capo di Rizzuto, the only one in the family. Prior children and the last child were born in San Giovanni.

I am wondering if "Angela" is really "Ignazio". Start to get kind of crazy trying to solve it all.

I have sent letter twice to Capo di Rizzuto and also province of Crotone and Catanzaro to see if he may have been born there.

Many, many thanks for the wonderful leads.

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Re: Trying to find grandfather's Birthplace in Calabria

Postby langelo » 24 Feb 2008, 20:32

Just a note of human interest. The kind person who placed the info re: 1930 census located a Louis Ignatius who was 5 years old at that time.

This little boy, an only child, who lost his mother at birth and was raised by my grandmother, Filomena, was injured during the WWII D Day invasion in Normandy, but lived to marry and have 4 children and 14 grandchildren.

This search can be frustrating at times, but wow, does it help me to learn how brave our Italian ancestors were and all the trials, tribulations, and true grief they endured to just survive. However, the families seemed to stay very close which is great support, something many of us do not have today.

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Re: Trying to find grandfather's Birthplace in Calabria

Postby DonnaPellegrin » 25 Feb 2008, 01:52

Lois,
There is a small village near San Giovanni in Fiore called Casino (or Castelsilano). Many of the same families live in this town. In 1849 in Casino a certain Antonio Girimonte and his wife Maria Teresa Gallo had a daughter named Maria Rosa. Then in 1851 the couple had Antonia. Then in 1854, Filomena. How certain are you of the name Maria Greco?

Feel free to email me or send me a private message and I can give you more details.
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Re: Trying to find grandfather's Birthplace in Calabria

Postby langelo » 25 Feb 2008, 02:51

That is very interesting information. I am going by Bill Girimonte's family website that states Maria Rosa Greco was the mother of Ignazio's brother Salvatore. With your information, I will send for Sal's birth certificate to see the mother's name. Great tip. Thanks so much Donna!
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Re: Trying to find grandfather's Birthplace in Calabria

Postby langelo » 25 Feb 2008, 17:16

Hi Donna,

Just wondering how you found the info on Girimonte/Gallo family in Casino? Really hoping that Ignazio is a part of that clan.

Thanks so much again,
Lois

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Postby DonnaPellegrin » 25 Feb 2008, 17:45

Lois, I have sent you a private message on this website with more information. Let me know if you have any trouble getting my message.
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Re: Trying to find grandfather's Birthplace in Calabria

Postby juanminbar » 26 Feb 2008, 22:51

Individual Record FamilySearchâ„¢ Pedigree Resource File

Search Results

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Ignazio Girimonte Compact Disc #104 Pin #817806 Pedigree
Sex: M

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Event(s)
Birth: abt 1856

San Giovanni in Fiore, Cosenza, Calabria, Italy
Death: bet 15 Jan 1920 and 16 Apr 1930



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Parents
Father: Fortunato Francesco Girimonte Disc #104 Pin #817686
Mother: Anna Maria Nicoletti Disc #104 Pin #818050

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Marriage(s)
Spouse: Filomena Bitonti Disc #104 Pin #817807
Marriage: abt 1880
Italy


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Other Event(s)
Immigration: abt 1890

Immigration: abt 1895

Naturalization: abt 1904

Census: 29 Apr 1910
300 Spring Lane, Stoneham, Middlesex, Massachusetts, USA
Census: 15 Jan 1920
Spring Lane, Stoneham, Middlesex, Massachusetts, USA

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Personal Information
Residence: aft 11 Apr 1909
36 Paul Street, Boston, Massachusetts, USA
Occupation: 15 Jan 1920
Farmer

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Notes and Sources
Notes: None
Sources: Available on CD-ROM Disc# 104

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Submitter
William GIRIMONTI
48A Elliott Avenue Glenfield, North Shore 1310, NEW ZEALAND


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