Ditora

[jamiestew]

Yes VJ..thta is right on the nose. I will have to call my Noni and grill her about this Joseph..I dont know whos child he is, and also I am confused as to who William Merrit and Ruth are. It states Mamella (which is what my Noni called her) or Carmella was widowed, I believe she came her alone, husband must have died before they left Italy. I wonder alos where my GG Granda Floreance was during the 1910 census. We at least know now that Viglione was her maiden name. Aunt Helena Pappalardo might be very old but her memory is still good . I dont know how to thatnk you guys so much for your help. I also know Carmella di Toro Viglione lived to be in her 90's and only died becasue she took a spill down the steps. My Noni loved, loved, loved her they were very close!!!

[jamiestew]

Ok how about this one I found on Ancestry.com. I cant see the whole thing I dont have a membership the name on the mainfest is Marianna Musella Di Toro. Now the middle name being Musella my Noni says they called her Mamella...interesting..take a lookk and tell me what you think..

[vj]

Did we have this already?

From roots web
Ca Death Index

Last Name First Name Middle Birth Date Mother Maiden Father Last
Sex Birth Place Death Place Residence Death Date SSN Age

VALENTE ANGELINA 09/09/1887 DITORE VIGILIONE
F REST (OTHER) ALAMEDA(01) 07/09/1940 572-09-7899 52 yrs

[vj]

Ok how about this one I found on Ancestry.com.
I cant see the whole thing I dont have a membership the name on the
mainfest is Marianna Musella Di Toro.
Now the middle name being Musella my Noni says they called her
Mamella...interesting..take a look and tell me what you think..

1933 manifest
page 2
Husband Musella?
Headed to NJ

probably not Carmella...
Valarie

[jamiestew]

VJ...
No I didnt have the death record for Angelina..I can view it when I click on the link. That must be her. And I guess that the manifest isnt corret because of the age ect. I did come across a Antoinette F Di Toro on Ancestry. Could that be my GG Grandmother Floreance?

[vj]

maybe this is Angelina VIGLIONE arrival:
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Angiola Viglione
Name: Angiola Viglione
Arrival Date: 25 Sep 1903
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Age: 19
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Ship Name: Sicilian Prince
Search Ship Database: Search the Sicilian Prince in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 5
Microfilm Serial: 15
Microfilm Roll: T715_397
Page Number: 166

joining at Alessandro SCIACCA(or similar) in Schenectady, NY.....
suanj

1905 passport application
Alexander Sciacca
(no other names)

[vj]

VJ...
No I didnt have the death record for Angelina..
I can view it when I click on the link. That must be her.
And I guess that the manifest isnt correct because of the age ect.
I did come across a Antoinette F Di Toro on Ancestry.
Could that be my GG Grandmother Floreance?

1956 manifest

The ages on manifests aren't always correct .
suanj's manifest find could be Angela.
Valarie

[suanj]

Ok how about this one I found on Ancestry.com.
I cant see the whole thing I dont have a membership the name on the
mainfest is Marianna Musella Di Toro.
Now the middle name being Musella my Noni says they called her
Mamella...interesting..take a look and tell me what you think..

1933 manifest
page 2
Husband Musella?
Headed to NJ

probably not Carmella...
Valarie

yes Valarie this is NO our Marianna; the italian first name on the ship's manifest was Marianna DI TORO married at... VIGLIONE ; I believe that the first name Carmela was the second first name or just a nickname... as usual in the little village.... Marianna DI TORO was widowed in the trip... so the husband died in Petrella Tifernina, no far from my town...
I'm pretty sure that the record are right and also the death record abt Angelina Valente, (great find Valarie!!) is so right abt the parent's !!!

abt Joseph Viglione... on the ship's manifest is wrote" nephew" and joining at uncle Silvio Valente... I believe that Joseph was the grandson of Marianna and not the nephew... (in italian nipote word mean nephew and also grandson), better son of a son of Marianna, because he had Viglione surname, so the father was Viglione... maybe the child was orphan... or raised by grandmother( no rare in Italy) .... if my suggestion is right...
However I'm so happy that this family came from my region... oh Petrella Tifernina is a little town near Campobasso.. some pictures of Petrella Tifernina:
http://62.110.208.43/petrella/petrella_new2/foto.html

suanj

[vj]

Oh my suanj, I forgot you were in Molise !
I'm so glad we found daughter Angela's death record.
I thought you & Laura were correct on all of your assumptions
before we found that record.
I agree, I think Giuseppe is Marianna's (Carmella) grandson.
I was hoping to connect your Alessandro Sciacca to Marianna's
daughter Florence (1st husband?), but I can't find Alessandro's
correct manifests (1898, 1905). The only manifests I can
locate have destination Lawrence MA w/wife Filomena &
2 children in 1905.

Beautiful pictures of Petrella Tifernina.
Do I see 2 statues of St George? He is
the patron saint of my family's town of
Donnici (Inferiore), Cosenza

Valarie

[suanj]

the Petrella Tifernina's church is dedicated to St George... the second silver statue is abt St George's feast....
kisses, suanj

[jamiestew]

Hello,
Suanj thank-you so much for the beautiful pictures. It is very possible Guiseppe was her grandson. I wonder what happend to her husband and and mother and father of Guiseppe. Can I find birth records from the town they were born in? What do you suggest for the next step? I still need to find GG Grandmother Florence Di Toro. Could I also get her birth cert. some how. My Noni said Florence was married to an Irish policeman in New York and he was shot. She remarried Jim Vito. Is there a way you could resend me Angelinas death record so I can view it?

[suanj]

I believe that from this data will be possible to know more by LDS microfilms
Italy, Campobasso, Petrella Tifernina - Civil registration

Registri dello stato civile, 1809-1910 Petrella Tifernina (Campobasso). Ufficio dello stato civile

www.familysearch.org/E...umns=*,0,0

you can know the birthdate of Marianna/carmela DI TORO, the marriage and the children data....
best regards, suanj

I already suggested you .. this is the better way... you know if Florence married to irish policemen in Schenectady town or in another town?
regards, suanj

[jamiestew]

I don't know if they married in Schenectady, but I do know that is where they lived for the whole time they were in New York. When I say they I mean Carmela, Floreance, Angelina. Then they all moved to Alameda County, that is where my Noni was born

[suanj]

ok... you must find the birthdate of Florence, and after, by LDS microfilms you can know the italian first name; because I'm pretty sure that the italian first name was no Florence.... she changed.. sure... and having this data, maybe the search can to continue for to find her first marriage.... also finding the marriage act with james Vito, maybe can be helful... maybe she is in the second marriage act with irish surname.... regards, suanj

[Biff83]

Schenectady New York Fallen Police Officers

New York State Police formed 11 April 1917 and first officer to die in line of duty was in 1920.

edited to add link to
Officer Down Memorial Page

Biff