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Postby rayrussell2000uk » 26 May 2008, 20:09

Hello,

I am new to this forum and I am hoping that somebody might be able to help me out.

I am looking for any information on Pietro Agazzi born in around 1852 in Italy. I believe that he might have been born in Bergamo in Lombardy, however I'm not 100% sure.

I am looking for any information but in particular information so that I can get a birth certificate for him and possibly his father and mother.

Please help..

Thank you.

Ray

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Postby BethW » 27 May 2008, 23:43

Hi Ray,

Do you have any other information on Pietro Agazzi, such as the name of his wife or kids, places he lived, where and when he died?

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Postby Seraphina » 28 May 2008, 09:47

Hi Ray,

Have you checcked on UK BMD for his marriage or death certificate? Do these state where he originated from in Italy?

The surname Agazzi is very widespread in Lombardy, also in Emilia Romagna and a number in and around Roma. So if you could provide information, it would be helpful.

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Postby nuccia » 28 May 2008, 12:41

From the 1881 English Census...


1881 England Census
about Peter Agazzi
Name: Peter Agazzi
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Lodger (Head) (Lodger)
Gender: Male
Where born: Plymouth, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Plymouth St Andrew
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street address: 31 Summerland Place
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Musician

Registration district: Plymouth
Sub registration district: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Antonio Agazzi 1
Cathreen Agazzi 4
Luigi Agazzi 7
Peter Agazzi 30
Polina Agazzi 30
Angelina Antonioggi 46
Angelina Antonioggi 8
Jouseppa Antonioggi 52
Giovanni Barni 39
Guiseppi Barni 23
Lorenzi Basini 37
Annie Bordani 39
Augustine Bordani
David Bordani 6
John Bordani 40
John Cocklin 26
John Dunn 35
Charles Dunstan 21
Batista Lazzi 26
George F. Mills 29
Antonio Rossi 35
Arthur Rowe 35
Cosome Varrocchi 60
Frank Vincient 30
Herbert Zanozzi 13
John Zanozzi 61

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Postby nuccia » 28 May 2008, 13:23

Here is the 1891 Census Info:


1891 England Census
about Peter Agazzi
Name: Peter Agazzi
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Poly
Gender: Male
Where born: Italy

Civil Parish: St Andrew
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Plymouth
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Plymouth
Sub registration district: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Batista Agazzi 33
Catherine Agazzi 15
Jack Agazzi 5
Joseph Agazzi 3
Maggie Agazzi 9
Mary Agazzi 7
Peter Agazzi 39
Poly Agazzi 39
Tony Agazzi 10

and last but not least, the 1901 Census info:


1901 England Census
about Peter Agazzi
Name: Peter Agazzi
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Polly
Gender: Male
Where born: Italy

Civil Parish: Plymouth
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Plymouth
Sub registration district: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 212
Household Members:
Name Age
Antony Agazzi 20
Frank Agazzi 8
Joe Agazzi 13
Margaret Agazzi 19
Mary Agazzi 17
Peter Agazzi 50
Polly Agazzi 50
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Postby nuccia » 28 May 2008, 13:25

Pietro and his wife married in 1872 in the second quarter:


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Pietro Agazzi
Name: Pietro Agazzi
Year of Registration: 1872
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Plymouth
County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 496 (click to see others on page)

My guess is that he married:

Zazzi Marie Pauline

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Postby nuccia » 28 May 2008, 13:30

It appears that Pietro's death was registered in September of 1903 at the age of 52. Wow, he died fairly young.

I would need to ask elba since she is familiar with English records if the marriage and death documents may list the place of birth of parents names.
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Postby rayrussell2000uk » 29 May 2008, 15:36

Thank you everyone for all your help. I unfortunately only know that Pietro Agazzi married Marie Pauline Zazzi.

Pietro was born in Italy and Marie Pauline was born in France.

The census records only state that Pietro was born in Italy. There is no specific location within Italy.

So basically I am stuck. Would their marriage certificate have their fathers name and location of birth on it.

I am very keen to get hold of an italian birth certificate for Pietro and so if anybody can help me that would be great.

Thank you!

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Postby daddymuzza » 29 May 2008, 19:00

Maybe you should try researching the other italian names in the census data ,I think you will probably find either relations or families from the same area of italy as your ancestor.
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Postby elba » 30 May 2008, 07:56

nuccia wrote:It appears that Pietro's death was registered in September of 1903 at the age of 52. Wow, he died fairly young.

I would need to ask elba since she is familiar with English records if the marriage and death documents may list the place of birth of parents names.


A British death certificate 'may' help, but it may not... here are links for a death and a marriage certificate - as you can see the details are not complete and to obtain a copy is expensive unless you are CERTAIN to have the right person (£7 per copy)...

>Marriage Certificate<


>Death Certificate<

If you do get a Death Certificate a good clue is often the person who reported the death. This person is often (though NOT always) a relative.
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Postby rayrussell2000uk » 01 Jun 2008, 21:00

I have found out that Pietro was possibly born in Parma in Italy. Could anybody have a look at some records for me or help me find a birth entry?

Thank you.

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Postby suanj » 02 Jun 2008, 13:24

rayrussell2000uk wrote:I have found out that Pietro was possibly born in Parma in Italy. Could anybody have a look at some records for me or help me find a birth entry?

Thank you.

Hi Raymond I suggested you by email that is possible that Pietro Agazzi born in Parma area.... also Zazzi surname is of same area, it is a italian surname, and also if on the censuses Pauline is listed as french, the surname is a italian surname coming from same area (Parma).... I believe around Borgotaro, Bardi, Bedonia towns..... if you have more infos abt Pietro Agazzi, maybe it will be possible a search in Parma State Archive... regards, suanj
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Postby rayrussell2000uk » 12 Jun 2008, 08:58

Hi,

I have now managed to find out that Pietro Agazzi's Father was called Antonio Agazzi and I have found out that he was not alive in 1872 and so died before that date. He was an agricultural Labourer in Italy.

Unfortunaly this is the only information that I have managed to get from Pietro and Polinas marriage certificate.

If somebody can help me find a birth certificate for Antonio that would be great.

Ray

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Postby miller1969 » 12 Jun 2008, 20:52

DEATHS REGISTERED IN JULY, AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER 1901

Marie Pauline Agazzi

Estimated Birth Year: 1851

Year of Registration: 1901

Age at Death: 50

District: Plymouth

County: Devon

Volume: 5b

From the Free BMD Death Index 1837-1983

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Postby rayrussell2000uk » 13 Jun 2008, 16:04

Hi,

I have now managed to find out that Pietro Agazzi's Father was called Antonio Agazzi and I have found out that he was not alive in 1872 and so died before that date. He was an agricultural Labourer in Italy.

Unfortunaly this is the only information that I have managed to get from Pietro and Polinas marriage certificate.

If somebody can help me find a birth certificate for Antonio that would be great.

Ray


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