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Gulian/Julian in NY--1920

Postby jjulian14712 » 09 Jun 2008, 18:35

Could someone please help me find Frank Gulian or Julian in New York State in the 1920 census? He should be approximately 26 years old at that time. I'm trying several angles to solve this mystery, and this is one of them.

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Re: Gulian/Julian in NY--1920

Postby Biff83 » 09 Jun 2008, 18:50

Hi Jeff,

I've been unsuccessfully trying to find the 1920 census. Perhaps he didn't muster out of the service until after the census was taken?

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Re: Gulian/Julian in NY--1920

Postby jjulian14712 » 09 Jun 2008, 22:10

Biff,

I just looked it up--my grandfather's army records show him arriving back in the US on March 11, 1919. The next record of him that I have is from his first marriage in Sheridan, NY in 1921.

As soon as he arrived back from fighting the war in France, his name was spelled "Julian" and he claimed to be of French descent, even though his earlier records show Rome, Italy as his birthplace. That's when the misinformation began, and it resulted in the mystery we have to this day about our ancestry.

Thank you very much for looking in to it on our behalf.

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Re: Gulian/Julian in NY--1920

Postby BillieDeKid » 09 Jun 2008, 22:27

Biff can you check this 1920 census.

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/2440 ... susrj8.jpg

On one of jeffs other threads I had posted a ships manifest with a town named Onano (near Rome) and a 1910 census listing frank as a barge worker. Would you mind taking a look at these three pieces of the puzzle and tell me what you think?

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Re: Gulian/Julian in NY--1920

Postby Biff83 » 09 Jun 2008, 23:41

Hi Elizabeth :D !

Don't believe the 1920 census you posted was correct. Frank Julian states from Barbados, race black.

The 14 May 1909 Verona manifest you posted showing a Francesco Giuliano with a destination of Rochester and the 1910 census for Francesco Guliano are good possibles. He may have emigrated and taken a job working maintenance or whatever on one or more of the NY state canals for a while before settling in Chautauqua county.

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Re: Gulian/Julian in NY--1920

Postby BillieDeKid » 10 Jun 2008, 01:41

8O 8O 8O 8O WOW BIFF!!! Guess I was waaaaaaayy off on that one!! :oops:

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Re: Gulian/Julian in NY--1920

Postby jjulian14712 » 10 Jun 2008, 11:24

Elizabeth and Biff,

Thank you very much for your efforts, both here and on other threads. I've found the possibilities you've mentioned, but I'm at a loss as to how to figure out which one is my grandfather.

Thanks again,

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Re: Gulian/Julian in NY--1920

Postby pink67 » 10 Jun 2008, 12:51

Hi Jeff,

nothing to do with 1920 census but, as I read that Frank arrived in 1909 perhaps this could be his 1910 census?
I apologize if you already have....

1910 United States Federal Census
about Frangesco Guliano
Name: Frangesco Guliano
Age in 1910: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Birthplace: Italy
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Home in 1910: Schroeppel, Oswego, New York
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Male
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Frangesco Mazone 59
Lambazzi Arcagelo 38
Frangesco Guliano 17

[img=http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/7358/julianofrancesco1910cenol1.th.jpg]

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Re: Gulian/Julian in NY--1920

Postby suanj » 10 Jun 2008, 13:01

great find Laura!!!!! kisses, suanj
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Re: Gulian/Julian in NY--1920

Postby suanj » 10 Jun 2008, 14:48

the only Frank J Julian that I found is a soldier(Corporal) in the Camp Merritt, Bergen, NJ..... born in 1893... the birthplace is New Jersey, but I have some suspect because abt parent's birthplaces it is crossed "unknown" and wrote US....

1920 United States Federal Census
about Cpl. Frank J Gulian
Name: Cpl. Frank J Gulian
[Cpl. Frank J Julian]

Home in 1920: Camp Merritt, Bergen, New Jersey
Age: 27 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Birthplace: New Jersey
Father's Birth Place: United States of America
Mother's Birth Place: United States of America
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Sex: Male
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 486
Neighbors: View others on page
http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse. ... off=2+4+16

I know that is no in the NY state... but frankly... this record let me think that the census made when your ancestor had the identity catharsis....
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Re: Gulian/Julian in NY--1920

Postby jjulian14712 » 10 Jun 2008, 15:49

Suanj,

It's possible that this is where he stayed right after he returned from the war. I also think you're right about the "identity catharsis."

If only we could find a way to connect him back to Italy, that would be the ultimate success.

Thanks again for your help,

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Re: Gulian/Julian in NY--1920

Postby pink67 » 10 Jun 2008, 16:21

Hi Jeff,

this is the World War I Draft Registration Card for Frank....

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Frank J Gulian
Name: Frank J Gulian
City: Not Stated
County: Chautauqua
State: New York
Birthplace: Rome;Italy
Birth Date: 15 May 1893
Race: Caucasian (White)
Roll: 1712292
DraftBoard: 1

[img=http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/9210/giulianfrankwwiyl7.th.jpg]

So, he declared his birth date, May 15, 1893 and he was living in Fredonia (a village near Dunkirk??)....
I think he must have been there also in the 1920 census....

Why don't try to write to the Onano Municipality asking for his birth certificate (May 15, 1893/4/5)? :wink:

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Re: Gulian/Julian in NY--1920

Postby suanj » 10 Jun 2008, 16:40

jjulian14712 wrote:Suanj,

It's possible that this is where he stayed right after he returned from the war. I also think you're right about the "identity catharsis."

If only we could find a way to connect him back to Italy, that would be the ultimate success.

Thanks again for your help,

Jeff

Hi Jeff, another bit... abt:
1920 United States Federal Census
about Cpl. Frank J Gulian
Name: Cpl. Frank J Gulian
[Cpl. Frank J Julian]
Home in 1920: Camp Merritt, Bergen, New Jersey
Age: 27 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Birthplace: New Jersey
Father's Birth Place: United States of America
Mother's Birth Place: United States of America
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Sex: Male
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 486

( line 97)
and on the same person, other sheet:

1920 United States Federal Census
about Cpl. Frank J Julian
Name: Cpl. Frank J Julian
Home in 1920: Camp Merritt, Bergen, New Jersey
Age: 28 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Birthplace: New Jersey
Father's Birth Place: United States of America
Mother's Birth Place: United States of America
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 487

I believe that this confirm me abt a identity confusion of this Cpl. Frank J Julian

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Re: Gulian/Julian in NY--1920

Postby suanj » 10 Jun 2008, 16:43

I have a question for you Jeff... after Flora first wife, what was the name of second wife... you can say us?

and more: in many ship's manifest of peoples emigrated in USA and coming from Onano town, the province is wrote "Roma"; for exemple:

Masselia, Luigi Onano, Roma
Pacelli, Guiseppe -Onano, Roma
Pastorello, Orlando Onano, Roma
etc.....
and abt the Giuliano surname, I believe that right in Onano ... well is GIULIANI... from Onano are emigrated with this wrong surname:

Guiliana, Antonio Onano, Italy 17 1896 1913
Guiliano, Francesco Onano, Italy 16 1893 1909
I believe that this ship's manifest is of your grandfather and in the previous messages the frends here are right to 100%, just my opinion....
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Re: Gulian/Julian in NY--1920

Postby pink67 » 10 Jun 2008, 17:13

:D Ciao Suanj....

concordo con te.... io penso che questo Francesco Giuliani fosse di Onano... Jeff, ha la data di nascita ...potrebbe provare a chiedere l'atto in comune... (oltretutto dal manifesto del 1909 si legge che Francesco lasciava ad Onano la madre Sabatina, un elemento in piu' da confrontare).

I agree with Suanj!

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