Jean-Baptiste Salvaye Captain of the regiment in Pignerol

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Jean-Baptiste Salvaye Captain of the regiment in Pignerol

Postby Srossmeisl » 11 Apr 2004, 03:29

Looking for information on Jean-Baptiste Salvaye who was Capitaine of the regiment at Pignerol. He was in the service of the Duke of Savoy.
He married Marguerite Cotte at St. Donat Parish, Pignerol Italy about 1640 to 1650. [/b]
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Re: Jean-Baptiste Salvaye Captain of the regiment in Pignero

Postby suanj » 11 Apr 2004, 08:54

Srossmeisl wrote:Looking for information on Jean-Baptiste Salvaye who was Capitaine of the regiment at Pignerol. He was in the service of the Duke of Savoy.
He married Marguerite Cotte at St. Donat Parish, Pignerol Italy about 1640 to 1650. [/b]

Hi sure you know:

A1.Jean-Baptiste Salvaye spouse Jacquette Cote ;More, same person:Capt. Jean Baptiste SALVAILLE crhistening in San Donato Cathedral, Pinerolo, province of Torino(Piemonte-Italy) spouse
Jacqueline BELLE-COTTE...

B1.son: Pierre Salvaye Tremont born in Italy before 1650 died in Quebec bef 1690, spouse Marie Catherine Roy born abt 1654 Paris, France
marriage in DEC 1673 or 13 Nov 1673 Sorel- Quebec (same person in other spelling CATHERINE LEROY ). Same person (?): Pierre Saluaye or Pierre Salvay or Pierre Salvaille or Pierre SALVAYE or Pierre Dit Salvaye SALVAIL ...?
-C1. son of Pierre: ANTOINE SALVAIL born 03 JUL 1686 Sorel, Richelieu, Quebec , spouse Marguerite Hertel the 24 APR 1726 * (note 1)or Antoine SALVAYE spouse Marguerite HERTEL (ditto);
D1. son of Antoine: ANTOINE SALVAIL( Father: ANTOINE SALVAIL OR DETREMONT -Mother: MARGUERITE HERTEL ).


-C2. Catherine Salvaye born 02 FEB 1877/1678 Sorel, Richelieu, Quebec spouse Pierre LAMY in 1697-Sorel-Quebec

-C3. Pierre SALVAYE born 4 Nov 1683 Sorel-Quebec spouse Genevieve HUS-PAUL ..



Records in Italy: I task exact italian spelling surname (present in Val Pellice 's Commons-Torino area included towns: Pinerolo, Rorà,etc...) is or: Salvagiotto/Salvagliotti/Salvagiot/ Salvageot, in the time transformed in: Salvaiot, Sauvageau;
or Salvai, very probable, in the time transformed in: Salvai/y,Salver,Salvai/j/y all coming from Pinerolo. Persons with surnames also are emigrated in Canada around 1588 ..
http://www.vecchiopiemonte.it/storia/cu ... canada.htm

More: In the past Salvai surname sure was present in Pinerolo years 1565 al 1604 (from book: CAFFARO, Pietro - Famiglie pinerolesi descritte negli archivi parrocchiali di Pinerolo dal 1565 al 1604
Pinerolo : Tip. Già Chiantore-Mascarelli, 1910 , Vol. 1: 1565-1604, 349 p. , Abbreviaz. , LAT-ITA
Sommaire Famiglie descritte nel documento: Vol. I. p. 1 - 53, Vol. II p. 54O - 107, Vol. III p. 108 - 254, Vol. IV p. 255 - 320
Movimento della popolazione pinerolese (1565-1604) p. 320 - 322
Elenco di persone e cose p. 323 - 327)

Patronymes: Agnoleto; Ainardi; Alais; Alardo; Alfacio; Alfandi; Algardo; Aliberti; Allione; Ambrosino; Anselmo; Arfacio; Armandi; Arnaldi; Arnaldo; Bagnolati; Bagnolo; Balada; Balerino; Ballarini; Bandiolo; Barbero; Barra; Barutelli; Bastiani; Baudo; Beinasco; Belmondo; Berra; Bersatore; Bertramino; Bianco; Bocardo; Boero; Boetto; Bonaudo; Boneti; Bosia; Bosio; Bottalo; Botalo; Brasa; Bruera; Bruna; Bruno; Brunetta; Buffa; Buriasco; Buticari; Cacherano; Calvetti; Caffardo; Calusio; Camusso; Canale; Canardo; Capella; Cardino; Cardonato; Carrera; Cataneo; Cattaneo; Ceralis; Cerutto; Chiabrando; Chiosello; Cigoto; Collino; Comba; Conte; Crespino; Doina; Dotto; Drago; Durando; Faure; Favero; Ferrari; Ferraro; Finella; Fiori; Fontana; Fornero; Franco; Fresia; Gai; Gaido; Galletto; Gasca; Gasparini; Gastaldo; Genineti; Giacomello; Giancelli; Giaveno; Giraudi; Grandis; Grangeti; Lanfranco; Lanteri; Lasagnero; Longo; Lupo; Macello; Magnini; Maire; Malano; Marsiglia; Martelli; Meglieretto; Merlo; Molinato; Mondono; Moneri; Morello; Motta; Nota; Oberti; Olivero; Ortis; Persanda; Perrone; Pescarolo; Piranderi; Podio; Poleti; Poncino; Porporato; Posca; Pussetti; Prato; Rasino; Ravello; Ravoto; Remondi; Ribba; Roberti; Robino; Rolandini; Rossetti; Rostagno; Rubiano; Salvai; Santena; Santiano; Scaglia; Silano; Terloni; Testa; Trestis; Trucchietto; Vagnone; Vaira; Varsy; Vieta; Viglioti; Vignolo

Mots-clés Relevés systématiques d'actes; Vaudois; 16è siècle; 17è siècle

Aires
géographiques Italia; Italie; Piemonte; TO; Pinerolo


Localisation Ancêtres Italiens/Bibliothèque, Paris : 8° ITA br 10 l

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More in version Salvay,(from book:LAW, Hugh T., (sous la dir.) - Piedmont project. Family Smeets compiled from the microfilms records in the genealogical Society pertainting to the Piedmont region, province of Torino, Italy. [Projet Piémont. Feuille de groupe de famille (protestante vaudoise) compilé à partir des saisies de la Société généalogique. Région du Piémont, province de Turin
Salt Lake City : Genealogical society, 1968 , In-4°, non pag. , 43 bobines , ENG )Patronymes "S":
Salomon; Salvageot; Salvay; Sapero; Sappé; Saret; Saru; Cerutti; Selli; Serre; Sibille; Simond; Simondet; Sinquet; Sioulotto; Soulier; Stallé; Stevenot; Stringat; Subilia; Sustrung; Taddini; Tagliero...

Localisation Ancêtres Italiens/Bibliothèque, Paris : 4° ITA br 3 A
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*Note 1: 1704 July 28: List of voyageurs by Notaire: Antoine die Saint-Martin (1668-1714) Montreal http://www.telusplanet.net/public/dgarneau/metis4.htm

Edmond Roy dit Chatellereau
Antoine Salvay, de Saurel
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Strange: are also an other record:
1683, 14 février (Mtl)
Le Parchemin
Adhémar dit Saint-Martin, A. (1668-1714)
Concession de l'île de Grace et îlets adjacents par Catherine Legardeur (de Tilly), veuve de Pierre de Saurel, seigneur de Sorel, à Pierre Salvay, de Saurel, Antoine Chaudillon, chirurgien, de Saurel, Pierre Vallet dit Lafrance, de Saurel, Joseph Lamy, de Saurel, Paul Hue, de Saurel, François Marsset, de Saurel, Gilles Cousturier dit Labonte, de Saurel, Louis Badaillac dit Laplante, de Saurel, Jean Lavallee, de Saurel, Michel Brouillet dit Laviolette, de Saurel, Jean Garnier dit Nado, de Saurel, Charles Vannet dit Leparisien, de Saurel, Jean Maignan dit Lagrange, de Saurel, et Pierre Letendre dit Laliberte, de Saurel.
Doc #: 16830214PA011835 http://www.mediom.com/~lgder/html/docum ... aries.html


hoping help you for search...regards, suanj
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Jean Baptiste Salvaye

Postby Srossmeisl » 12 Apr 2004, 02:06

Thank you for your prompt reply and references. I am a direct descendent of Pierre Salvaye and spouse Marie Catherine Roy. I was able to trace my ancestery directly to Pierre Salvaye. However, I encountered a roadblock with Jean Baptiste Salvaye. We always believed that we were Canadian French and not Italian. These references confirm that we were originally Italian. How can I find out more information about Jean Baptiste Salvaye? Who were the parents? Where were they from?

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Re: Jean Baptiste Salvaye

Postby suanj » 12 Apr 2004, 10:56

Srossmeisl wrote:Thank you for your prompt reply and references. I am a direct descendent of Pierre Salvaye and spouse Marie Catherine Roy. I was able to trace my ancestery directly to Pierre Salvaye. However, I encountered a roadblock with Jean Baptiste Salvaye. We always believed that we were Canadian French and not Italian. These references confirm that we were originally Italian. How can I find out more information about Jean Baptiste Salvaye? Who were the parents? Where were they from?

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For your double, you can write to:
"Archivio Storico Diocesano" of Pinerolo(Torino)
Via Vescovado, 1
10064 Pinerolo(TO)
Italy
mailto: diocesi.pinerolo@libero.it

and to demand act of baptism of Cpt Jean Baptiste Salvaye alias Jean Baptiste Salvaille alias Jean Baptiste Salvail
married to Jacqueline Belle dit Cotte about 1649 in St Donat, Piemont, Italie, alias Jean Baptiste Salvay(probable exact spelling name).


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More you can to write also to:
"Archivio di Stato di Torino"
Piazza Castello, 209
10124 Torino(TO)
Italy

mailto: astoarchivio@multix.it
and to demand copy of birth certificate (and any possible info )of Cpt Jean Baptiste Salvaye alias Jean Baptiste Salvaille alias Jean Baptiste Salvail
married to Jacqueline Belle dit Cotte about 1649 in St Donat, Piemont, Italie, alias Jean Baptiste Salvay(probable exact spelling name).
In Torino area the surname Salvay is must ancient, sure presence around IX° century.
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Postby Srossmeisl » 12 Apr 2004, 23:32

Thank you. I will send an email to the "Archivio Storico Diocesano" and "Archivio di Stato di Torino"

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Postby suanj » 13 Apr 2004, 14:39

Srossmeisl wrote:Thank you. I will send an email to the "Archivio Storico Diocesano" and "Archivio di Stato di Torino"

regards, srossmeisl

Hi: also you can read this: " Atti notarili 1610-1854 delle localita valdese in provincia di Torino -Salt Lake City : Genealogical Society of Utah, 1994 , microfilm 35 mm , ITA-FRE (Microfilm dei registri originali nell'Archivio di stato di Torino
Testamenti, inventari, contratti matrimoniali, atti di donazione, procure, transazioni, cessioni e vendite, ecc. .. Atti notarili 1610-1854 Pinerolo -Torino)..
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Jean Baptiste Salvaye

Postby Srossmeisl » 16 Apr 2004, 02:45

Hi

Thanks for the additional information. I have one more question.

Jean Baptiste Salvaye son was named Pierre Salvaye Tremont. Does Tremont represent a region? Is Tremont something that is significant?

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Re: Jean Baptiste Salvaye

Postby suanj » 16 Apr 2004, 07:20

Srossmeisl wrote:Hi

Thanks for the additional information. I have one more question.

Jean Baptiste Salvaye son was named Pierre Salvaye Tremont. Does Tremont represent a region? Is Tremont something that is significant?

Thank you

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Hi: I not know this info, but TREMONTI is an italian surname (it means 3 mountains).
-I task not Tremont is an place, why Pierre SALVAYE DIT TREMONT http://www.themarxfamily.net/roots/526.HTM , probable an nickname
-or:" A few examples to prove a point, on October 23rd 1673, Notary Jean Baptiste Adhémar, from his home in Sorel, draws up the marriage contract of Vincent Moriceau, residing in Autray, and of Marie Anne Beaumont, residing in Sorel; he notes the presence of: "Marie Leroux épouse de Jacques Énaud-dit-Canada, en compagnie de messieurs Pierre Salvaye de Tremont, Pierre Vallet et Joseph Lamy". http://www.geninfo.org/GenInfo/Jacques_ ... Canada.htm and "de" is surname of family;
-or: also possible "Du Tremont"; in the past Du Tremont surname was present in Isere area around 1674 in ST_PIERRE DE MEAROTZ town ;in the past ,and currently but various, is Italy-French area-Rhône Alpes ). sorry I've not others info, regards, suanj
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Re: Capt. Jean-Baptiste Salvay

Postby cchjs » 15 Feb 2005, 03:34

I am also a direct descendant of Capt. Jean-Baptiste Salvai/Salvay. The Salvai/Salvay family is from Piemonte, Italy. From my research, I found that the surname derives from Arabic. [The Saracens(Arabs from North Africa) conquered Piemonte in the 10th century.] Check out the shield part of a Salvai/Salvay coat of arms by visiting:

http://xoomer.virgilio.it/blasonpiemon/Pagina8.html

(It's the ugliest shield I have ever seen. LOL.)
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Re: Jean-Baptiste Salvaye Captain of the regiment in Pignero

Postby Srossmeisl » 18 Feb 2005, 03:12

Thank you for replying. After many years of posting request for info on various websites, I was thrilled to hear from another descendant of the Salvay(e) family. In fact my mothers maiden name was Salvail. Over the years in Canada the translation of Salvaye was changed to Salvail.

I viewed the coat of arms and agree with you that it is ugly!! Caveman???

Your reply, gave me some information that I was unaware of. My mother always believed she was of French-Canadian descent and would not consider the fact that Pierre Salvay(e) was born in Pinerolo, Italy. Now I am going to tell her that the Salvay family name originated from North Africa. This ought to be good.

Would you be willing to share any of your information with me? and of course I would do likewise.


Looking forward to hearing from you.

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Re: Salvai/y

Postby cchjs » 18 Feb 2005, 10:10

Hi Srossmeisl,

Thanks for your reply. Salvai/y) is a Piemontese name, not North African. It simply comes from an Arabic word. I don't yet know what that word is. As you may know, some Italian names come from Arabic as a result of Saracen raids and occupations of the Italian peninsula. When the Arabs left, they left their mark on the language and toponymy(place names). The Salva(i/y) name may be derived from the name of a place, an occupation, or an actual person, etc. The name is still predominately found in Piemonte, Italy to this very day.

Did you ever get a copy of Jean-Baptiste's birth certificate?

Thanks again.
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Re: Jean-Baptiste Salvaye Captain of the regiment in Pignero

Postby Srossmeisl » 20 Feb 2005, 03:39

Hi cchjs

Yes I have a birth certificate but unfortunately I cannot read it. Friends of mine went to Italy a few years ago and took pictures of St. Donat in Pinerolo and also brought back a copy of the birth certificate.

Looks like the date is May 1624 -- it reads Giovanni Battista Salvays, figlio di Emanuele e Filippa Salvays. I cannot make out the rest of it.

I also asked for the marriage certificate of Jean Baptiste and Jacqueline Bellecote but the keeper of the books could not locate it at that time.

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Re: Jean-Baptiste Salvaye Captain of the regiment in Pignero

Postby cchjs » 20 Feb 2005, 07:05

Hey Stross,

So who are Giovanni Battista Salvays, figlio di Emanuele e Filippa Salvays? Do you know if and how they are related to Jean-Baptiste Salvay? Have you ever tried writing to Italy for more info? How far can your mom trace her genealogy back to Jean-Baptiste?

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Re: Jean-Baptiste Salvaye Captain of the regiment in Pignero

Postby Srossmeisl » 21 Feb 2005, 02:43

Hi

I think Giovanni Battista is Jean-Baptiste Salvay. Seems to fit -- born 1624 and married in 1650. He would have been 26 years old when he married.

No I have not written to Italy for more information. However, I do plan on it at some point.

We can trace our family all the way back to Jean-Baptiste through his son Pierre Salvaye.

Whereabouts in the US are you located?
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Re: Giovanni Battista Salvai aka Jean-Baptiste

Postby cchjs » 22 Feb 2005, 14:57

Hi Stross,

Thank you so much for supplying me with Jean-Baptiste’s real name. It appears that both Giovanni Battista and Jean-Baptiste are one in the same - both mean John the Baptist. And, you’re right; the dates do match. I’m really excited about finally learning the names of his parents! (A translation site helped me understand the Italian.) Never in a million years did I think I would find out about them! I really appreciate your help.

Wow! I think it’s soooo amazing that you know your entire family lineage from the Italian Salvais to your Mom. I hardly know anything about my heritage. I know the names of some of Pierre's(real name, Pietro?) descendants, but I don’t know which line leads directly to me. I found some of the info I included in my first post only a few months ago, after years of research.

Do you have any information about Jacqueline Bellecote(or Cotte, Bellecotte, Cote…I’m sure you’ve heard them all.)? Do you know what her real name is? It's most likely an Italian name that was converted to French, as was the case with her husband. Such factors make it very difficult to find accurate genealogical information. I wish we could get our hands on the marriage certificate.

Thanks again,

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