Monument & Flag/Military Identification

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Monument & Flag/Military Identification

Postby JML77 » 12 Sep 2011, 21:15

I'd appreciate it if someone could provide information on the below photos. Specifically, I'm trying to confirm if the monument pictured is in the town of Ripabottoni (WW1 war memorial?), and also what the flag pictured in the other photos relates to. The men in one of the flag photos seem to be wearing some sort of commemorative buttons on their uniforms too. I think that all the photos were taken in Ripabottoni sometime between WW1 and WW2.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/22 ... cwiyc.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/8/036pn.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/37/026px.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/13/027qu.jpg/
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Re: Monument & Flag/Military Identification

Postby pink67 » 13 Sep 2011, 08:13

This link will show you the Monumento ai Caduti in Ripabottoni.
It's not the one of the photos...
On the site you see also the same postacard you posted :D

http://www.ripamici.it/storia/caduti/monument.html

The monument of the photo is very "magnificent" I don't believe it was in a little town...

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Re: Monument & Flag/Military Identification

Postby uantiti » 13 Sep 2011, 12:04

Hi,
I agree with Laura (ciao Laura). That monument could not be in a small town. As you will see, the monument is in Palermo. Here are some pics:

http://bellapalermonline.com/monumento- ... aduti.html
http://www.flickr.com/photos/36609145@N02/4401049291/
http://palermodintorni.blogspot.com/201 ... berta.html

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Re: Monument & Flag/Military Identification

Postby liviomoreno » 13 Sep 2011, 12:18

uantiti wrote:Hi,
I agree with Laura (ciao Laura). That monument could not be in a small town. As you will see, the monument is in Palermo. Here are some pics:

http://bellapalermonline.com/monumento- ... aduti.html
http://www.flickr.com/photos/36609145@N02/4401049291/
http://palermodintorni.blogspot.com/201 ... berta.html

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This monument is not the one that was originally posted by JML77...
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Re: Monument & Flag/Military Identification

Postby pink67 » 13 Sep 2011, 12:22

Concordo con Livio (ciao Ada :D ) Il monumento delle antiche fotografie è diverso da quello di Palermo, il basamento è molto differente, ci sono diversi personaggi in statua e poi la vittoria alata porta la corona d'alloro nella mano sinistra ed è posta piu' in basso dell'altro braccio, forse potremmo chiedere aiuto al forum di "Cime e Trincee"...

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Re: Monument & Flag/Military Identification

Postby uantiti » 13 Sep 2011, 12:33

liviomoreno wrote:
uantiti wrote:Hi,
I agree with Laura (ciao Laura). That monument could not be in a small town. As you will see, the monument is in Palermo. Here are some pics:

http://bellapalermonline.com/monumento- ... aduti.html
http://www.flickr.com/photos/36609145@N02/4401049291/
http://palermodintorni.blogspot.com/201 ... berta.html

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This monument is not the one that was originally posted by JML77...


Ciao Livio! Vuoi dire che ho preso un granchio? :shock: Did I drop a clanger?
The pic originally posted by JML77 seems an old one. I read that in the years columns were added and changes took place. So, today it doesn't look exactly as it was in the past but the statue at the top, to me, looks the same......

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Re: Monument & Flag/Military Identification

Postby pink67 » 13 Sep 2011, 12:53

Anche le ali sono differenti e nella mano sinistra la Vittoria di Palermo ha un ramo di palma se non sbaglio... mentre la Vittoria delle foto antiche ha il braccio destro libero, piu' in alto del sinistro che regge la corona....
Che sia un monumento che poi è stato bombardato durante la seconda guerra???

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Re: Monument & Flag/Military Identification

Postby pink67 » 13 Sep 2011, 13:00

Ammetto la mia ignoranza sui fatti militari della Prima Guerra :roll: , ma essendoci anche un cannone evidentemente si tratta di un luogo che era stato teatro di battaglie... quali i luoghi famosi per fatti della prima guerra?

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fronte_ita ... a_mondiale)

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Re: Monument & Flag/Military Identification

Postby uantiti » 13 Sep 2011, 14:01

pink67 wrote:Anche le ali sono differenti e nella mano sinistra la Vittoria di Palermo ha un ramo di palma se non sbaglio... mentre la Vittoria delle foto antiche ha il braccio destro libero, piu' in alto del sinistro che regge la corona....
Che sia un monumento che poi è stato bombardato durante la seconda guerra???

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Hai ragione Laura. Ero un po' di corsa e non avevo fatto caso ai dettagli. Mi sembrava la stessa ma vista da un'altra angolazione. Ho guardato parecchio in giro anche in luoghi commemorativi ma quella è la più simile.....Chissà che non sia stata, come dici tu, bombardata e se quel monumento esiste ancora....

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Re: Monument & Flag/Military Identification

Postby pink67 » 13 Sep 2011, 14:08

La piu' che le assomiglia è questa:

http://www.ferentino.org/storia_monumenti_nike.php

ma è "montata" su un obelisco che non ha nulla a che vedere con l'immagine postata da ML77... inoltre si trova a Ferentino nella piazza del paese mentre la "nostra" sembra trovarsi in un parco, su una collina o qualcosa di simile, comunque non sembra in un contesto cittadino...

http://www.google.it/imgres?q=monumento ... 24&bih=550

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Re: Monument & Flag/Military Identification

Postby uantiti » 13 Sep 2011, 15:28

pink67 wrote:La piu' che le assomiglia è questa:

http://www.ferentino.org/storia_monumenti_nike.php

ma è "montata" su un obelisco che non ha nulla a che vedere con l'immagine postata da ML77... inoltre si trova a Ferentino nella piazza del paese mentre la "nostra" sembra trovarsi in un parco, su una collina o qualcosa di simile, comunque non sembra in un contesto cittadino...

http://www.google.it/imgres?q=monumento ... 24&bih=550

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No, non è questa anche perchè poggia il piede destro sul globo mentre quella che cerchiamo mi sembra poggi il sinistro. Doveva essere mancina, fa tutto con la sinistra... :lol:

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Re: Monument & Flag/Military Identification

Postby liviomoreno » 13 Sep 2011, 15:48

Ciao Ada e ciao Laura!
To me the two statues are different :oops:
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Re: Monument & Flag/Military Identification

Postby JML77 » 13 Sep 2011, 17:43

Thank you for all the feedback, but unfortunately I am not able to understand the Italian replies. I see similar monuments in some of the photos that you have linked, but I would appreciate if someone could confirm which town the one in my photos comes from. Someone mentioned Palermo above, but as far as I know none of my relatives or their friends were ever there. Also, keep in mind that the scale of the monument may appear larger than it really is if you compare the solo photo to the ones of the men on the cannon in front of it in the second photo. I am pretty sure that there is a WW1 monument in Ripabottoni, but I am just not sure that this is the one in my photos.

Also, does anyone have any idea what the flag is in those other photos?
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Re: Monument & Flag/Military Identification

Postby pink67 » 13 Sep 2011, 19:12

I apologize about the italian idiom we used.. we "know" each other also on an italian genealogy forum :D

We didn't found the correct monument but we are 100% sure it's not the monument in Ripabottoni because the monument in Ripabottoni is this one (and we both think that the monument of the postacard is too "magnificent" to be placed in a little twon as Ripabottoni):

monument:
http://www.ripamici.it/storia/caduti/caduti8.jpg

http://www.ripamici.it/accade/index.html

http://www.ripamici.it/storia/largo/cap5/largo5.html

This is the link to the same postcard that you posted (the one with the "invitation" to donate something to build the monument)

http://www.ripamici.it/storia/caduti/caduti3.jpg

http://www.ripamici.it/storia/caduti/caduti4.jpg

these are the photos of the soldiers coming from Ripabottoni died in the first World War:

http://www.ripamici.it/storia/caduti/caduti.html

We were unable to find the monument you posted, maybe it was destroyed? Are you sure it was in the area of Ripabottoni?

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Re: Monument & Flag/Military Identification

Postby pink67 » 13 Sep 2011, 19:48

About the Flag... I believe it was the Banner of the catholic "Società di San Michele Arcangelo" , there is a photo very similar on this web page, cap.III :

http://ripabottonesi.com/montecastello_01.html

This Catholic Society was founded to "oppose" the Christian Catholic population of Ripabottoni against the people (emigrants) coming back from the U.S. who were bringing new religions (protestant, evangelism)...

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