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Italian language

Postby Giovanni1950 » 24 Jul 2005, 23:44

I am curious does anyone know the answer to some of these questions?

I have heard it said that Sicilian is closer to the Original Latin than is Italian, also what dialect is spoken most in Sicily today? (Italian or Sicilian) Also does Sardinia have a different dialect that mainland Italy and Sicily?

And was not Corsica once part of Italy? And I have to ask was not Napoleon Bonaparte of Italian ancestry not French?
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Re: Italian language

Postby ricbru » 24 Jul 2005, 23:56

Hello,
I'm a native of Sicily. I spoke sicilian (a dialect spoken only in Sicily, the official language is Italian) since I was 6.
Sicily has been invaded since the Roman emperor until 1860, so we had bizantini, Arabs,normanni, angioini, aragonesi and borboni.
It means we have some words of Latin, french, spanish, arabian, greek.
So it his a mix of all these languages.

Sardinia has another dialect, and the officila language is Italian, of course.
Corsica belongs to France, and Napoleon was born in Ajiaccio, Corsica, bye ricbru
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Re: Italian language

Postby Giovanni1950 » 25 Jul 2005, 00:46

I did find this on the web.

Napoleon's parents were from families of Italian nobles. Carlo and Letizia Ramolino Buonaparte (later given the French spelling Bonaparte) lived in Corsica, an Italian island later bought by the French from the Italian city-state of Genoa.
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Re: Italian language

Postby Nevio » 20 Aug 2005, 21:05

This might help.
8 May 1768 with the treaty of Versaglia Genova offered sovreignty to France in exchange for compensation.
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Re: Italian language

Postby Nevio » 20 Aug 2005, 21:07

One more point.....
you might offend a sardinian if you refer to their speech as a dialect. It is mainly considered to be a lnguage :D
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Re: Italian language

Postby JamesBianco » 20 Aug 2005, 21:54

That can also be said of the Sicilian people. Ricbru...where in Sicily were you born?

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Re: Italian language

Postby Andrea1974 » 26 Sep 2005, 20:32

Giovanni1950 wrote:I am curious does anyone know the answer to some of these questions?

I have heard it said that Sicilian is closer to the Original Latin than is Italian, also what dialect is spoken most in Sicily today? (Italian or Sicilian) Also does Sardinia have a different dialect that mainland Italy and Sicily?

And was not Corsica once part of Italy? And I have to ask was not Napoleon Bonaparte of Italian ancestry not French?



In Sardinia is not spoken a dialect but a neolatin language. "Sardo" cames from latin language not from iatlian.
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Re: Italian language

Postby suanj » 26 Sep 2005, 22:22

Andrea.. the Sardo coming from greek and latin language. ..as italian.... but the italian language is perfectioned in the centuries, the Sardinia language, because isle, having an close culture and withholding archaic words it has had various evolution.. with most strong spanish's influences ... after the 1700 with Piedmont's domain.. in 1800 the Italian language asserts and the Sardinia language it becomes Sardinia "dialect" with importance of all dialects of Italy......

http://www.mondosardegna.net/linguasard ... asarda.htm


" LINGUA SARDA - Ogni zona geografica della Sardegna ha avuto un'evoluzione storica con influenze linguistiche differenti che caratterizzano ancora oggi le diverse varietà del sardo. Ciò che è costante sono i suoni e la musicalità.
Il sardo risulta il più caratteristico degli idiomi latini; infatti, mentre le altre lingue neolatine andavano nei secoli elaborandosi, la Sardegna, e quindi il Sardo, nel suo isolamento, conserva le peculiarità originarie di questo linguaggio con le sue origini illustri, greca e latina.

Il 1700 segna il passaggio della Sardegna dal dominio spagnolo a quello piemontese e per la prima metà del secolo permane una situazione bilingue: il sardo e lo spagnolo. In seguito venne imposto l'uso dell'italiano come lingua ufficiale e contemporaneamente venne ridotto l'ambito d'uso del latino; Il rispetto per la lingua sarda, anche se interessato, continua anche nel 1800 mentre di pari passo continua la diffusione dell'italiano. La vera e propria inversione di tendenza comincia con l'Unità d'Italia, in pratica dopo il 1861. Intanto la lingua italiana diventa sempre più ufficiale. Il dialetto, comunque, era ancora diffusissimo.

Col termine Sardo si intendono le varietà dialettali della Sardegna con esclusione di Alghero, isola linguistica catalana, e di Carloforte e Calasetta, isole linguistiche genovesi.

Il Sardo si suddivide in cinque principali varietà:

- Nuorese, parlato nel centro dell'isola e nel Goceano con centro a Nuoro;
- Gallurese, parlato nella parte Nord-Orientale della Sardegna;
- Sassarese, nella città di Sassari e adiacenze;
- Logudorese, parlato nel centro-Nord della Sardegna;
- Campidanese, nel Sud dell'isola.

Mentre il Nuorese e il Logudorese sono le lingue che meno di ogni altra hanno subito le influenze continentali, il Campidanese, pur conservando i tratti caratteristici del Sardo, si avvicina di più ai dialetti italiani di tipo centro-meridionale.
Anche il Gallurese ed il Sassarese hanno subito un'influenza continentale; sono infatti di tipo toscano, anche se si sono sviluppati al fianco di quello Sardo. .."
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Re: Italian language

Postby Andrea1974 » 27 Sep 2005, 14:35

suanj wrote:Andrea.. the Sardo coming from greek and latin language. ..as italian.... but the italian language is perfectioned in the centuries, the Sardinia language, because isle, having an close culture and withholding archaic words it has had various evolution.. with most strong spanish's influences ... after the 1700 with Piedmont's domain.. in 1800 the Italian language asserts and the Sardinia language it becomes Sardinia "dialect" with importance of all dialects of Italy......


Hi Suanj, i tried to explain that "Sardo" it's a real lenguage not only a dialect. In Italy we've got hundreds of dialects but everyone comes from the same "old language". Sardo instead is a true language, and obviously derives from latin and greece. In Sardo language than we've got different dialects but they're based on sardinian language not on italian language
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Re: Italian language

Postby suanj » 27 Sep 2005, 15:33

Yes andrea, and also is an beautiful language, very musical..Ciao, suanj
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Re: Italian language

Postby fortunata » 03 Nov 2008, 10:01

Hello,
My relatives, who came from Catania, Sicily, had the surname of Sardo. I can trace them back to 1452. Would their name be derived somehow from the language? Perhaps if they spoke it or came from that area??
Just curious as I know many names came from professions, ect.
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Re: Italian language

Postby PeterTimber » 03 Nov 2008, 14:14

The base name SARDI is listed inthe Italian surname dictionary with Sardo as a variant. The name is distributed thruout Italy and based upon The ethnic group SARDO inhabiting Sardinia. There are no dates associated with the surname but I would imagine it is a very early possibly Roman in origin, if not earlier.=Peter=
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Re: Italian language

Postby fortunata » 03 Nov 2008, 19:52

Thank you, that is really interesting!
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Re: Italian language

Postby Jacobus » 12 Jan 2009, 17:51

Giovanni1950 wrote:I have heard it said that Sicilian is closer to the Original Latin than is Italian


Not true. The italian dialect closer to original latin is tuscan dialect, from which is descended modern italian language.

also what dialect is spoken most in Sicily today? (Italian or Sicilian)


It depends, in Sicily today all people speak italian, but they also speak their own dialect too. Sicilian dialect is divided into 10 or more sub-dialects. Some linguists consider sicilian a language, even if is not used as an official language.

Also does Sardinia have a different dialect that mainland Italy and Sicily?


Sardinian dialect, divided in many sub-dialects, is officially considered a language.

And was not Corsica once part of Italy?


Corsica language is considered an ancient tuscan sub-dialect, and closer to Italian than french. Southern corsican dialects are stricty connected to northern sardinian dialects. All the typical surnames of Corsica are italian: Paoli, Bartoli, Peretti...

Corsica has been for many centuries part of "italian world": etruscan, roman, pisan republic and genoese republic.

And I have to ask was not Napoleon Bonaparte of Italian ancestry not French?


Bonaparte was of italian ancestry. From Liguria, Tuscany and maybe from Treviso, Veneto.
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Re: Italian language

Postby PeterTimber » 12 Jan 2009, 18:55

A language is defined as having a written literature and has a grammatical struicture even though it mahy be classified as a dialect in light of official language of the country. However to claim a dialect as a language requires the above and if a dialect becomes the official language of a country then it becomes a language.=Peter=
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