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Peres? or Perez?

Postby borderline » 27 May 2009, 18:39

Hi,
I just found the birth certificate of my great-great grandmother on my father's mother's side.

Rosaria Napoli
b.11/27/1865

Her parents are listed, and the mother's name is unusual, I think, for Italy, it appears to be Carmela Peres or Perez, could you confirm the spelling based on this photo? I'm guessing this must be a Spanish name, which is interesting. The Peres birth year must be around 1836. Thanks!

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Re: Peres? or Perez?

Postby maribor » 31 May 2009, 07:28

It seems to be an "s" (Peres).
Good luck with your research,
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Re: Peres? or Perez?

Postby aliza24 » 31 May 2009, 11:05

It's Peres.
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Re: Peres? or Perez?

Postby misbris » 31 May 2009, 13:36

The name Peres appears in about 100 communities in Italy.

http://www.gens.labo.net/en/cognomi/genera.html
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Re: Peres? or Perez?

Postby maribor » 01 Jun 2009, 05:59

Peres ha un ceppo nell'udinese che dovrebbe derivare da una versione dialettale del nome Pero derivato da Piero che è una modificazione del nome Pietro, ha ceppi nel napoletano, nel foggiano ed in Sicilia, Perez ha vari ceppi in Sicilia, nel napoletano e nel brindisino, di chiara origine spagnola dovrebbe trattarsi di un patronimico dal nome spagnolo Pero (Pietro) con l'aggiunta del suffisso -ez per figlio di, o di una sua modificazione.

Tratto da "L'origine dei cognomi"
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Re: Peres? or Perez?

Postby maribor » 01 Jun 2009, 06:18

Also I've found this explanation about the surname PERES:

El popular apellido Peres , muchas veces escrito Perez, con la terminación idiomática española.
Pero no es apellido de orígen español sino la palabra hebrea que designa los capítulos en que la Torah (los cinco libros de Moisés), se divide para su lectura semanal, a efectos de completar en todo el año la lectura de la Torah.

The popular surname Peres, also written Perez, with its Spanish idiomatic ending.
It isn't from Spanish origin but a Hebrei word for the chapters in which is divided the Torah (the five Moses' books) that must be read weekly, so that to finish its reading at the end of the year.
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Re: Peres? or Perez?

Postby borderline » 01 Jun 2009, 19:15

Thanks for the info! Very interesting.
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Re: Peres? or Perez?

Postby JamesBianco » 02 Jun 2009, 12:38

Depending on what part of Italy your family is from, this certainly could indicate Spanish origins, especially in North Western Sicily.
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Re: Peres? or Perez?

Postby borderline » 02 Jun 2009, 12:45

JamesBianco wrote:Depending on what part of Italy your family is from, this certainly could indicate Spanish origins, especially in North Western Sicily.


They are from Milazzo, in the NE part of Sicily.
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Re: Peres? or Perez?

Postby drmillhous » 03 Jun 2009, 03:06

Hi Borderline,
I have been trying to contact you regarding your Milazzo families. I have been researching my family back to the mid-1700s and have many names from Milazzo, including Caragliano and Napoli. Would you like to trade info?
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Re: Peres? or Perez?

Postby borderline » 03 Jun 2009, 14:59

drmillhous wrote:Hi Borderline,
I have been trying to contact you regarding your Milazzo families. I have been researching my family back to the mid-1700s and have many names from Milazzo, including Caragliano and Napoli. Would you like to trade info?


Yes. You can email me. I'll try to send a PM.
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Re: Peres? or Perez?

Postby MSanchez » 17 Jun 2009, 00:55

My experience is that names that end in "s" like that instead of "z" are Portugues names. For example, Lopez is Spanish and Lopes is the same name in Portuguese.
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Re: Peres? or Perez?

Postby borderline » 24 Jun 2009, 15:12

Well, the plot thickens. Previously I had posted the parents' names on the birth certificate, now I found the parents' marriage certificate, and wouldn't you know it, the name was then spelled with a "z". So I don't know if the spelling was changed, or if we are dealing with a typo by the person recording the name. I guess I'll find out when I find Carmela Perez's birth certificate eventually. Interesting development though!

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