Matteo Martora birth 1879

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Matteo Martora birth 1879

Postby oilman19 » 29 Jan 2010, 22:09

Hi,
This may be the son of the matrimoni that was translated for me on my previous post. If I am reading it correctly, it looks like the spelling of the surname got changed to Martora. After translation, is there any way to determine if these parents are the bride & groom from that matrimoni post? I am interested in any opinions that will confirm or deny this relationship.

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Re: Matteo Martora birth 1879

Postby Tessa78 » 29 Jan 2010, 22:27

Jim,

I would agree that this looks like the birth of a son (Matteo) to the couple (Gennaro Mattora and Giuseppa Caserta) whose marriage act you have posted. Marriage, Oct . 1878...Gennaro is 29. Birth, August 1879...Gennaro is 29. So it seems very likely.

As to the changed spelling of the surname...it is very possible.

Also, this follows the naming pattern, wouldn't you say?

Can you position the copy so that the written notation on the left is completely visible?



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Re: Matteo Martora birth 1879

Postby oilman19 » 29 Jan 2010, 22:59

Thank you Tessa,
I'm afraid I must have chopped it off when I scanned the document. Are you able to decipher any of it? I could try to find it and scan it again if you think it necessary. Also when is Matteo's birthday. I have never had this birth act translated before.
It does look like I will be struggling with this Mattora/Martora for a while longer. I did not expect to see it again until I find the birth act that was transcribed for my grandmother's matrimoni. I guess that was too much to hope for. I foolishly keep looking for perfection on these old documents. I have to learn to be happy with what I get, and move on.

Humbly,

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Re: Matteo Martora birth 1879

Postby Tessa78 » 29 Jan 2010, 23:44

Looks like Matteo was born at 1 PM on August 12th 1879, and presented by his father Gennaro on the 13th.

As for the notation...what I can read looks like the date February 2, and the last part of a year?
Not sure what is being noted but it does reference S. Maria CV .

Do you know when Matteo died? This could be a death notation.

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Re: Matteo Martora birth 1879

Postby oilman19 » 30 Jan 2010, 00:23

I didn't know about Matteo until I found this record. I recently found a Matteo Mattora manifest arriving Philadelphia 10 Jun 1910, est. birth 1879, born in S.M. I have made no connection at this time.
If you feel there is important info in the notation, I will try to scan it again.

Regarding this name controversy (Mattora vs Martora), I have been thinking about the birth act registration process. It seems the father (or mid wife) needs to provide no official documents except for witnesses, where as the marriage act requires an official copy of the birth of the principles (bride & groom). Since my ancestors all seemed to be illiterate (including their witnesses), it would seem a likelihood that the surname could be easily compromised. The town of S.M. was too large for the official registrar to know everyone.
I'm just trying to make some sense of what appear to be errors on official records. No other scenario seems to make sense. I am trying to treat them as speed bumps causing me to slow down temporarily. If I am ill informed, please feel free to correct me.

Thank you T.

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Re: Matteo Martora birth 1879

Postby oilman19 » 30 Jan 2010, 18:17

Hi T.

I re-scanned that document to better capture the annotation. I hoped this is clearer for you to read.

Jim

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Re: Matteo Martora birth 1879

Postby suanj » 30 Jan 2010, 19:09

Hi, it is the marriage note of 2 feb 1908(????????) Matteo married at Marta GRAUSO
on the ship's manifest of Marta, the children having MARTORA surname
pag 1 http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0017

pag 2 http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0017
joining at Matteo MARTORA husband in Pittsburg, PA
a crossed trip of Matteo MARTORA in 1903 http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0015

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Re: Matteo Martora birth 1879

Postby Tessa78 » 30 Jan 2010, 19:09

Hi Jim :-)

Looks like a reference to Matteo Martora of S.Maria CV marrying Marta Granso (sp?). The date of 2 February is noted, but I don't read a year.

Let's hope someone else checks this notation for clarity.

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Re: Matteo Martora birth 1879

Postby Tessa78 » 30 Jan 2010, 19:11

Great, suanj was here! :-)
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Re: Matteo Martora birth 1879

Postby oilman19 » 30 Jan 2010, 20:31

You are both super. That must be him arriving Phil., PA on 10 Jun 1910, also.
This means I have finally tracked additional cousins emigrating to U.S. Who knows where this lead will take me.
I am excited.
Thank you so much.

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