What does the phrase 'Del Predetto' Mean?

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What does the phrase 'Del Predetto' Mean?

Postby Irishinamerica » 12 Mar 2011, 04:41

OK - I've been wondering this for a few months. My great great grandfather's baptism record says 'del predetto' at the bottom when it talks about his essendo padrino e madrina.

So when it says:

Carlo 'del predetto' Giacomo Rolle (padrino) and then Maria 'del predetto' Bartolomeo Rolle (madrina)....what does this mean?
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Re: What does the phrase 'Del Predetto' Mean?

Postby liviomoreno » 12 Mar 2011, 06:50

del predetto = of the aforesaid

Carlo '(son) of the aforesaid' Giacomo Rolle
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Re: What does the phrase 'Del Predetto' Mean?

Postby Irishinamerica » 12 Mar 2011, 17:49

Thank you -- but I'm still not sure that I understand. I see that my great great grandfather's name was Giacomo Carlo Bartolomeo Rolle - and that it is explaining how the family gave him those names.

But Giacomo CB Rolle's father was Giuseppe -- and Giuseppe's father was also Giacomo Rolle.

What I'm not understanding is who 'Carlo' is.

Any ideas?
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Re: What does the phrase 'Del Predetto' Mean?

Postby liviomoreno » 12 Mar 2011, 18:00

From what you wrote
My great great grandfather's baptism record says 'del predetto' at the bottom when it talks about his essendo padrino e madrina.

So when it says:

Carlo 'del predetto' Giacomo Rolle (padrino) and then Maria 'del predetto' Bartolomeo Rolle (madrina)....what does this mean?
I understand that godfather was Carlo son of the aforesaid Giacomo Rolle and godmother was Maria daughter of the above mentioned Bartolomeo Rolle.

If you post the document I may be more precise. :wink:
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Re: What does the phrase 'Del Predetto' Mean?

Postby Irishinamerica » 12 Mar 2011, 18:03

That makes sense!

Here's the baptism record...

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Re: What does the phrase 'Del Predetto' Mean?

Postby liviomoreno » 12 Mar 2011, 18:17

No Bartolomeo Rolle is mentioned in the document and I would assume that the priest made a mistake and intended to write Bartolomeo Rostagno

Carlo is a brother of Giuseppe Rolle and Maria is a sister of Caterina Rostagno

Both Carlo and Bartolomeo, grandfathers of the newborn, were alive when he was baptized.
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Re: What does the phrase 'Del Predetto' Mean?

Postby Irishinamerica » 12 Mar 2011, 18:19

Thank you - Carlo Rolle and Maria Rostagno are new names for me to look for!
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