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Postby rancelli » 06 Aug 2011, 03:10

Image is very poor. I believe this is a death record for Maria Lucia Quieti. I believe it mentions Gennaro Buccella's birth place but I can't make it out at all. Please help...

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Postby adelfio » 06 Aug 2011, 16:02

1835 Oct ??
Witness to the death Pasquale Filippone age 50 farmer
Lorenzo Elantro 26?? farmer
Death of Maria Lucia Quieti age 36 wife of Gennaro Bucella born in??
lived in Nocciano daughter of ??? and Anna Napoleone
That looks like the birth of place of Maria Lucia..

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Postby adelfio » 06 Aug 2011, 16:51

I tryed enlarging that spot its tough chicken Scratch possible town of Lanuvio/ Rome area maybe someone else can look at it

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Postby johnnyonthespot » 06 Aug 2011, 17:03

It looks to me like the comune name begins wtih "Sc...", so the possibilities are:


Scafa
Scafati
Scagnello
Scala
Scala Coeli
Scaldasole
Scalea
Scalenghe
Scaletta Zanclea
Scampitella
Scandale
Scandiano
Scandicci
Scandolara Ravara
Scandolara Ripa d'Oglio
Scandriglia
Scanno
Scano di Montiferro
Scansano
Scanzano Jonico
Scanzorosciate
Scapoli
Scarlino
Scarmagno
Scarnafigi
Scarperia
Scena
Scerni
Scheggia E Pascelupo
Scheggino
Schiavi di Abruzzo
Schiavon
Schignano
Schilpario
Schio
Schivenoglia
Sciacca
Sciara
Scicli
Scido
Scigliano
Scilla
Scillato
Sciolze
Scisciano
Sclafani Bagni
Scontrone
Scopa
Scopello
Scoppito
Scordia
Scorrano
Scorzè
Scurcola Marsicana
Scurelle
Scurzolengo
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Postby Tessa78 » 06 Aug 2011, 17:20

Or maybe "Secinaro?" Also in Abruzzo Region :?

There is so much ink that has disappeared... Do you think the first letter might be an "L"?


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Postby rancelli » 06 Aug 2011, 17:23

I really have no clue what it says but thank you guys very much. I will have to work harder on this one when I go back to the library,to hopefully get a much clearer picture. 288 up top, is that the page number on the roll of film?

@ Adelfio Do you think the name for Maria's mother was Napoleone or Napolesitti? That's how the name was indexed but I think it was wrong because I don't see that name Napolesitti on the map:/ I do kind of see the name Napoleone on the record, so I think you might be right on that one.

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Postby Tessa78 » 06 Aug 2011, 17:37

Her father's surname (WILD GUESS) could be "Biagi"

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Postby rancelli » 06 Aug 2011, 17:53

This is how the record was indexed.

For her father it say's BIASE?? I never heard of the name, but I do see other people with that name on Family Search. I don't think it's Quista for her maiden name because I have other documents that clearly say Quieti.

https://familysearch.org/search/recordD ... DLZ-G7D/p4

Domenicantonio's Marriage record. Look for the name Quieti. Was Maria's middle name Lucia or Luisa? Thanks for the help :)

http://postimage.org/image/36k8mt9lw/

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Postby Tessa78 » 06 Aug 2011, 20:40

rancelli wrote:This is how the record was indexed.

For her father it say's BIASE??
I never heard of the name, but I do see other people with that name on Family Search. I don't think it's Quista for her maiden name because I have other documents that clearly say Quieti.

https://familysearch.org/search/recordD ... DLZ-G7D/p4

Domenicantonio's Marriage record. Look for the name Quieti. Was Maria's middle name Lucia or Luisa? Thanks for the help :)

http://postimage.org/image/36k8mt9lw/


I would agree that the name looks more like BIASE, which does exist today in Abruzzo Region.

Maria's middle name I think is LUCIA... look at the formation of the "u" and first "c" in Buccella above it... :-)

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Postby PippoM » 06 Aug 2011, 22:02

I read:

Maria Luisa Quieta
declared October 8th, 1835
witness #1 Lorenzo Santoro, 29 (?)
witness #2 Pasquale Fiippone, 50

death October 7th, 1835
age 36
wife of Gennaro Buccella
born in Sca???
daughter of Biase (dialectal form of Biagio)
and Anna Napol? Settis?

It's very hard to read!!
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Postby rancelli » 07 Aug 2011, 01:18

PippoM wrote:I read:

Maria Luisa Quieta
declared October 8th, 1835
witness #1 Lorenzo Santoro, 29 (?)
witness #2 Pasquale Fiippone, 50

death October 7th, 1835
age 36
wife of Gennaro Buccella
born in Sca???
daughter of Biase (dialectal form of Biagio)
and Anna Napol? Settis?

It's very hard to read!!


I think you're right about the Luisa name, because Domenicantonio who was the son of Gennaro Buccella and Maria Quieti, named his daughter Luisa in 1864. Domenicantonio could have named his daughter Luisa in honor of his mother.

Now I'm kind of confused...I have Domenicantonio and wife Egidia's marriage record, and it says Domenic was born in Loreto, but lived in Alanno since childhood. I don't know what to think because there is a Loreto in Ancona and a Loreto Aprutino in Abruzzo :? I wonder what town it would have been. I read where that Aprutino was added to Loreto around 1863 to distinguish it from other towns in Italy that had the same town name. Gennaro's wifes maiden name Quieti can be found in Abruzzo and Acona.

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Postby PippoM » 07 Aug 2011, 09:49

Well, I'd say it must have been Loreto Aprutino...at that time it was not so usual to move so far.
As to the name of mrs. Quieti, imagine that Domenicantonio's act was written about 25 years after her death, in a place where probably noone had known her, on the basis of the document we are hardly trying to read and of what someone said. So, we might guess Maria Lucia can be a mistake, and her real name was Luisa.
As to the place of birth, my best guess is Scontrone, province of L'Aquila, region Abruzzo...but it's really hard to say. It also happened to me to find missspelled places of birth in death acts of people who died elsewhere, probably because people didn't even know such places existed and had never heard of them!
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