1882 & 1877 Birth Records

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1882 & 1877 Birth Records

Postby JML77 » 20 Oct 2011, 19:22

Please confirm/correct my understanding of these two birth records. Also, should I assume from the lack of a marriage date or death date in the margins that the children died young? Similar information is filled in for all members of this family whose certificates have been located.

Caterina di Iulio, born 15 May 1882 in Ripabottoni
Parents Giacomo di Iulio and FIlomena Immucci of Ripabottoni, both peasant farmers
Living at Via Pietra Ramaglia?
Witnessed by Pietro ? and Filomeno di Fabio, both peasant farmers
Ferdinando Barbieri- some sort of official person / notary


http://imageshack.us/f/196/photoital13caterina.jpg/


Leonardo di Iulio, born 16 Dec 1877 in Ripabottoni
Parents Giacomo di Iulio and FIlomena Immucci of Ripabottoni, both peasant farmers
Living at Via Pietra Ramaglia?
Witnessed by Domenico Lepore and Francesco Piedimonte, both peasant farmers
Giuseppe Cappuccilli- some sort of official person / notary

http://imageshack.us/f/823/photoital15leo1877.jpg/

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Re: 1882 & 1877 Birth Records

Postby adelfio » 20 Oct 2011, 21:31

Not all marriage records were transfer to the civil birth records they could have gone to the US moved to a different comune and never contacted there birth comune to update records. There are so many changes in record keeping over the years in Italy.
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Re: 1882 & 1877 Birth Records

Postby JML77 » 22 Oct 2011, 04:19

Thank you for this information. My thought was that these two died young because I have been able to prove that the other siblings either stayed in Italy or immigrated (in addition, another brother named Leonardo was born seven years later). Does anyone know if there were separate sets of death records kept in most comunes in the late 1800s, or if deaths and marriages were mainly just recorded as notes in the marigins of birth records? Also, can someone please confirm/edit the data in these two records? I am especially curious as to whether or not a specific house is noted on what seems to be the street (Via Petra Ramaglia).

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Re: 1882 & 1877 Birth Records

Postby adelfio » 22 Oct 2011, 14:59

Sometimes due to conditions or if the civil official is gone the deaths are recorded late which would be in the Parte II in the record year. Which usually has a seperate index. Like for instance you said there was a another Leonardo just get the FHL films for the years back from his birth for the death record.
You do know that the street Via Pietro Ramaglia, Ripabottoni, Italia is still there in the town of Ripabottoni its on google map search.
It looks like 2 different street numbers 15 Via Pietro Ramaglia and 24 Via Pietro Ramaglia they could have moved

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Re: 1882 & 1877 Birth Records

Postby JML77 » 24 Oct 2011, 01:28

Marty, thank you for the advice on this. Also, I hadn't yet looked into whether or not the street still existed, and so look forward to checking it out on the map this week.

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Re: 1882 & 1877 Birth Records

Postby Tessa78 » 24 Oct 2011, 16:24

JML77 wrote:Please confirm/correct my understanding of these two birth records. Also, should I assume from the lack of a marriage date or death date in the margins that the children died young? Similar information is filled in for all members of this family whose certificates have been located.

Caterina di Iulio, born 15 May 1882 at 3:09 PM in Ripabottoni
Parents Giacomo di Iulio Age 30 and FIlomena Immucci of Ripabottoni, both peasant farmers
Living at Via Pietro Ramaglia #28?
Witnessed by Pietro Rossi, age 52, and Filomeno di Fabio, age 48, both peasant farmers
Ferdinando Barbieri- some sort of official person / notary
"consigliere" - adviser, councilor - taking the place of the mayor

http://imageshack.us/f/196/photoital13caterina.jpg/


Leonardo di Iulio, born 16 Dec 1877 at 2:15 AM in Ripabottoni
Parents Giacomo di Iulio age 25 and FIlomena Immucci of Ripabottoni, both peasant farmers
Living at Via Pietra Ramaglia #24?
Witnessed by Domenico Lepore age 43,and Francesco Piedimonte age 52, both peasant farmers
Giuseppe Cappuccilli- some sort of official person / notary

http://imageshack.us/f/823/photoital15leo1877.jpg/


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Re: 1882 & 1877 Birth Records

Postby JML77 » 24 Oct 2011, 22:22

Thanks, Tessa!


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