Passenger Record for Carmelo Stella (1910)

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Passenger Record for Carmelo Stella (1910)

Postby darthsmozers » 11 Mar 2012, 17:45

Hi,
I am trying to make out the handwriting on a 1910 passenger record for Carmelo Stella (b. 1875, 35 yrs old in 1910) from Floridia, Sicilia, Italia.

I can't seem to save the image from Ellis Island's website, so here is a link.
http://www.ellisisland.org/search/shipManifest.asp?MID=14214297210138123744&FNM=CARMELO&LNM=STELLA&PLNM=STELLA&CGD=M&bSYR=1875&bEYR=1875&first_kind=1&last_kind=0&RF=3&pID=101342060156&lookup=101342060156&show=%5C%5C192%2E168%2E100%2E11%5Cimages%5CT715%2D1475%5CT715%2D14750493%2ETIF&origFN=%5C%5C192%2E168%2E100%2E11%5CIMAGES%5CT715%2D1475%5CT715%2D14750492%2ETIF

Specifically, I am trying to make out what's written in column # 11. The way these are divided, I can't tell which line in the column belongs to Carmelo. It looks like its split between two entries. I am also interested in the 12th column, final destination.

There seems to be three different ellis island records for Carmelo Stella born in 1875, so I am trying to figure out if they're all the same. For example, it appears there is another document from 1916, now age 41. http://www.ellisisland.org/search/shipManifest.asp?MID=14214297210138123744&FNM=CARMELO&LNM=STELLA&PLNM=STELLA&bSYR=1875&bEYR=1875&first_kind=1&last_kind=0&RF=3&pID=610133150247&lookup=610133150247&show=%5C%5C192%2E168%2E100%2E11%5Cimages%5CT715%2D2457%5CT715%2D24570147%2ETIF&origFN=%5C%5C192%2E168%2E100%2E11%5CIMAGES%5CT715%2D2457%5CT715%2D24570146%2ETIF

and one in 1903, then aged 28: http://www.ellisisland.org/search/shipManifest.asp?MID=14214297210138123744&FNM=CARMELO&LNM=STELLA&PLNM=STELLA&bSYR=1875&bEYR=1875&first_kind=1&last_kind=0&RF=10&ALTS=97%7C%3Ftella&ALTS=97%7Csdella&pID=102680160103&

Thank you for any and all help you might be able to offer in deciphering some pertinent info from any of these three records. :D
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Re: Passenger Record for Carmelo Stella (1910)

Postby suanj » 11 Mar 2012, 18:05

Hi,
in column # 11
http://www.ellisisland.org/search/shipM ... 0492%2ETIF
wife ITALIA Giovanna via Boschetto n° 69 Floridia ( address: 69 Boschetto st Floridia)
column #12: Waterbury , CT;
already in USA (Alabama) from 1906 to 1908) and joining at friend BASTANTE Carmelo in Waterbury, CT


in travel with ITALIA Sebastiano also coming from Floridia, joining at brother ITALIA Giuseppe in Waterbury, CT

the Carmelo Stella in 1910 trip and 1916 trip is the same, same wife: Giovanna


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Re: Passenger Record for Carmelo Stella (1910)

Postby darthsmozers » 11 Mar 2012, 23:54

Thank you for your time in this.
Unfortunately, I no longer believe this to be my ancestor. My Carmelo Stella arrived to the USA and went to Reading, PA with his Italian wife Maria Cianci. While the two Carmelo Stella's both appear to be from Floridia and born in 1875, I am tempted to say they are different people. However, I can't find an Ellis Island record that would confirm this, though I know he was married to Maria before coming over. :oops:
Thank you for your help!
Researching Surnames:
Smolinski, Erwetowski, Natoli, Stella, Cianci;
Tammaro, San Germano, Scarna;
Lott;
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Re: Passenger Record for Carmelo Stella (1910)

Postby suanj » 12 Mar 2012, 10:55

if this census is abt your ancestor:

1920 United States Federal Census
about Charles Stella
Name: Charles Stella
Age: 45
Birth Year: abt 1875
Birthplace: Italy
Home in 1920: Reading Ward 2, Berks, Pennsylvania
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1904
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Widowed
[Widow]
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Home Owned: Own
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Stella 45
Anna Stella 16
Ruth Stella 11
Angela Stella 8
Josephine Stella 7
Angelo Stella 6
Mary Stella 3
[3 3/12]
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and by this military record:
World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 about Carmelo Stella
Name: Carmelo Stella
City: Reading
County: Adams ( no on the card picture is wrote Reading, Berks PA and no Reading, Adams PA)
State: Pennsylvania
Birth Date: 5 Jan 1875
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1909283
DraftBoard: 1


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well seeming immigrated in 1904; naturalized and also Anna daughter born in Italy...

it is your Carmelo??
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Re: Passenger Record for Carmelo Stella (1910)

Postby suanj » 12 Mar 2012, 11:41

the oldest daughter on 1920 census.. the first name is Anna; instead by Floridia births she was born as Marianna STELLA born on 15 jan 1904 Floridia, daughter of Carmelo STELLA and Maria CIANCI
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and Marianna, Rosalia sister and the mother came in USA in 1910

pag 1 http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0003
pag 2 http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0003

surely you have this records..
now, Rosalia was born on 1th apr 1908 and on the birth act Carmelo was no in Floridia, so maybe emigrated between sep 1907 and mar 1908

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Re: Passenger Record for Carmelo Stella (1910)

Postby darthsmozers » 12 Mar 2012, 12:54

Suanj,
I have indeed seen that census and draft card before. I remember being skeptical about the draft card due to the "Adams, PA" mentioned. Its not impossible though.
Yes, Carmelo was married to Maria Cianci, who must have died early as indicated by his "widowed" status. Marianna was my great-grandmother.
Thank you for the detective work in narrowing down an immigration year. Its curious that I can't seem to find a record of the immigration for this man. (Or maybe it's not so curious ... maybe its common to have a missing record?)
Researching Surnames:
Smolinski, Erwetowski, Natoli, Stella, Cianci;
Tammaro, San Germano, Scarna;
Lott;
Josten;

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Re: Passenger Record for Carmelo Stella (1910)

Postby darthsmozers » 12 Mar 2012, 14:47

I have to add that after saving these documents to my computer, I realized I had not seen Marianna and Rosalia's immigration document, nor had I seen their Italian birth registries. This is fantastic, as I recently became in touch with someone descended from Rosalia. Thank you!!
Researching Surnames:
Smolinski, Erwetowski, Natoli, Stella, Cianci;
Tammaro, San Germano, Scarna;
Lott;
Josten;

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Re: Passenger Record for Carmelo Stella (1910)

Postby darthsmozers » 12 Mar 2012, 14:53

Also:
I have two documents that might reveal more information but I am not certain there is anything in here pertaining to immigration.
One is a birth certificate for Marianna and the other is a Naturalization document for Carmelo.
Attachments
StellaCarmelo_Naturalization_1200w.jpg
Carmelo Stella's Naturalization
StellaMarianna_BirthCertificateItaly_1200H.jpg
Marianna's birth certificate
Researching Surnames:
Smolinski, Erwetowski, Natoli, Stella, Cianci;
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Lott;
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Re: Passenger Record for Carmelo Stella (1910)

Postby suanj » 12 Mar 2012, 15:52

Hi, maybe to find the petition for naturalization, it can be helpful abt Carmelo immigration date and ship name...
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Re: Passenger Record for Carmelo Stella (1910)

Postby darthsmozers » 12 Mar 2012, 17:01

Is that found in the National Archives? Or elsewhere?
Researching Surnames:
Smolinski, Erwetowski, Natoli, Stella, Cianci;
Tammaro, San Germano, Scarna;
Lott;
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