Ambrogio Granatelli death???????????

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Ambrogio Granatelli death???????????

Postby lilbees » 15 Oct 2012, 18:48

Okay, I have had this guy dead for sometime. He had maintained not only his marriage from 1872 but also has another family on the side. Now I come across a record where he reports a birth of a brother's child. Not bad! But, he was supposed to be dead in 1881 and this birth takes place in 1885.

Here are what I thought were his death information.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... :832396584

http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq32 ... h18812.jpg

http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq32 ... th1881.jpg

This is the birth record for Francesca.

http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq32 ... th1880.jpg

Can someone look at these and let me know for sure what they say. His wife remarried in 1885.

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Re: Ambrogio Granatelli death???????????

Postby erudita74 » 15 Oct 2012, 19:29

lilbees wrote:Okay, I have had this guy dead for sometime. He had maintained not only his marriage from 1872 but also has another family on the side. Now I come across a record where he reports a birth of a brother's child. Not bad! But, he was supposed to be dead in 1881 and this birth takes place in 1885.

Here are what I thought were his death information.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... :832396584

http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq32 ... h18812.jpg

http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq32 ... th1881.jpg

This is the birth record for Francesca.

http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq32 ... th1880.jpg

Can someone look at these and let me know for sure what they say. His wife remarried in 1885.

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The first record is for the death of a 5 day old, Francesca G-who died the 2nd of April 1885. She was the dau of Gaspare G and Angela ?; Ambrogio was one of the two informants and was a 36 year old bricklayer. His relationship to Gaspare or the newborn Francesca is not given in the record.

The second record dated June 9, 1881 at 9 a.m. is a death record for Ambrogio G, age 36, the son of Luca G and Concetta ?, and the husband of Giovanna Catalano. He died today at 6 a.m.

The third record is another copy of the second record. The 1885 date is the date when this extract was prepared.

The fourth record is for the birth of Francesca G. b. on April 3, 1880 to Ambrogio, age 36, a bricklayer and Concetta Marino

Is there a reason why you are assuming that the Ambrogio who was an informant in the 1885 death record is the same person as the one who died in 1881?
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Re: Ambrogio Granatelli death???????????

Postby lilbees » 15 Oct 2012, 22:21

The answer to your question is that there was only one Ambrogio in that area. I have gone through the records from 1862 to 1910. I have the records for his father, Lucio and his siblings. There were five other children that Ambrogio fathered. All to the same woman, Concetta Marino. In the first few records of birth she is listed as celib not spouse. All were from her age of 17. These all occurred during his marriage to Giovanna. I questioned all this so much that I wrote to Lercara and had them do a search (which they have done for me in the past) for any other individual by that name or with that family name. Only one. That was why I was so startled to see his name appear on the death record of the child. Since there was another Francesca born in 1882 and died in 1883 that he had fathered with Concetta. No marriage record occurred at any time for her until 1886.

Final answer, who knows???????? Just an old mystery.

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Re: Ambrogio Granatelli death???????????

Postby erudita74 » 15 Oct 2012, 22:43

lilbees wrote:The answer to your question is that there was only one Ambrogio in that area. I have gone through the records from 1862 to 1910. I have the records for his father, Lucio and his siblings. There were five other children that Ambrogio fathered. All to the same woman, Concetta Marino. In the first few records of birth she is listed as celib not spouse. All were from her age of 17. These all occurred during his marriage to Giovanna. I questioned all this so much that I wrote to Lercara and had them do a search (which they have done for me in the past) for any other individual by that name or with that family name. Only one. That was why I was so startled to see his name appear on the death record of the child. Since there was another Francesca born in 1882 and died in 1883 that he had fathered with Concetta. No marriage record occurred at any time for her until 1886.

Final answer, who knows???????? Just an old mystery.

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The only thing that makes sense to me is that Concetta Marino could have been pregnant when he died in 1881 and still given birth to his child in the first part of 1882, even though he was already deceased. You don't say what month the 1882 child was born. Ambrogio appearing as an informant in an 1885 death record, however, makes absolutely no sense, unless the informant's name in the latter record was an error.
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Re: Ambrogio Granatelli death???????????

Postby lilbees » 16 Oct 2012, 12:43

I quite agree with you. It makes no sense. :?

You never know what you may come across digging in the old records. Recently I found a death record for a child 7 years old born with the same birthdate and name as another individual who claimed his father did not register his birth. He had to have a lot of people swear they knew who he was and about how old. Same approximate birth date and identical name. Both had the same parents :wink: who also said he was their son.

You can never find genealogy boring.

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