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occupation help

Postby bvbellomo » 13 Mar 2013, 20:17

Attached is the death record of Gandolfo Ferrera.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3322562/records/Ferrera%20Gandolfo/death.pdf

His occupation is listed as what looks like 'Fabriciore'. I am guessing this means he was the village Blacksmith. However his father is listed as a 'Bordengio' - and I have no idea what that is.

Am I correct that it says he died June 11th and was 80 years old?
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Re: occupation help

Postby erudita74 » 13 Mar 2013, 22:24

bvbellomo wrote:Attached is the death record of Gandolfo Ferrera.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3322562/records/Ferrera%20Gandolfo/death.pdf

His occupation is listed as what looks like 'Fabriciore'. I am guessing this means he was the village Blacksmith. However his father is listed as a 'Bordengio' - and I have no idea what that is.

Am I correct that it says he died June 11th and was 80 years old?


I believe the occupation is fabriciere (which I have seen spelled with two c's or as fabricciere. He appears to have been a lay or secular individual who did work for the church in the capacity of a worker who may have helped with the bldg and maintenance of the church. The word is derived from the word for factory. I found the following pdf file, which you can copy and paste into google translator to help you with understanding its contents

http://www.comune.mazzano.bs.it/?q=syst ... iceria.pdf

I'll have to look into the other occupation you mention.

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Re: occupation help

Postby bvbellomo » 13 Mar 2013, 22:53

Looking at the word, I believe you are correct, but still don't understand if this makes him an architect, a high administrator or a low level janitor. Would have been Fabriciere at San Giovanni, which is mentioned several times in the record, and I believe is the name of the church.
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Re: occupation help

Postby erudita74 » 13 Mar 2013, 23:42

bvbellomo wrote:Looking at the word, I believe you are correct, but still don't understand if this makes him an architect, a high administrator or a low level janitor. Would have been Fabriciere at San Giovanni, which is mentioned several times in the record, and I believe is the name of the church.



He was in a supervisory position, as far as I can tell from the various websites where I am finding the occupation. He supervised the bldg of the church, for one thing, and oversaw its maintenance. It appears that he was a lay person (not a member of the clergy or religious order) who had a high position in the church as an administrator, even being a lay member on the church council. He may have had additional responsibilities which had nothing to do with the bldg and maintenance of the church such as the administration of the church's assets or even being responsible for the church census. I even saw one website where it stated that he was an elected local official, but I don't know if this was the case in all towns. Anyway, he appears to have been a man of importance, both in the local parish, and in the town itself.

Two of the websites-

Dizionario della lingua italiana, Volume 3-p.560

Also this link has him as a member of a church council-
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fabbriciere

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Re: occupation help

Postby dmt1955 » 17 Mar 2013, 14:55

sorry to piggy back on this....however....i need to contact erudita - i sent you a private message, it doesn't show up in my sent box....but am wondering....did you receive it?
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Re: occupation help

Postby erudita74 » 17 Mar 2013, 15:00

dmt1955 wrote:sorry to piggy back on this....however....i need to contact erudita - i sent you a private message, it doesn't show up in my sent box....but am wondering....did you receive it?



No I haven't received it. Just sent you a private message telling you that.
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Postby dmt1955 » 17 Mar 2013, 15:05

just replied to you. i will stay logged in for your confirmation of receipt.
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Re: occupation help

Postby erudita74 » 17 Mar 2013, 15:10

dmt1955 wrote:just replied to you. i will stay logged in for your confirmation of receipt.


Just sent it to you, Donna
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Re: occupation help

Postby bvbellomo » 18 Mar 2013, 15:43

I don't mind piggybacking, but if you do, please at least take a guess at the letters if you can't guess what the word means :)

Now I think it is 'Bordenaio', the first 5 letters seem clear as "Borde" and the end is muddled, but looks similar to 'capraio' listed on my other ancestors.

As for what that means, it could have something to do with beads (bordare), mules (bardotto), whores (bordello), or bards (bardo). I am out of other ideas. Maybe I will find it somewhere else in the records.
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Re: occupation help

Postby liviomoreno » 18 Mar 2013, 17:10

Bordonaio (mulattiere) is a mule driver
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Re: occupation help

Postby dmt1955 » 18 Mar 2013, 18:37

dear bv
my apologies. i made the assumption that erudita's reply had answered your question. i choose your post as it was the last entry i could find of hers. i did not read the exchange between the two of you.

i am glad livio was able to answer your question. again, my apologies

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Re: occupation help

Postby bvbellomo » 18 Mar 2013, 19:34

Thanks!

I see "Bordonaro" on many lists of occupations (I haven't seen "Bordonaio"), but this seems an unusual occupation. A mule proper is "mulo" and "mulattiere" is also on the list of occupations. Bardotto refers to the much less common hinny, and it seems odd a small village would have someone that specializes in hinnies, and that his son would end up in an important Church position. In the absence of other evidence, this however makes the most sense.

BTW - I still had other questions. Am I correct that it says he died June 11th and was 80 years old? Was San Giovanni a church, or the neighborhood where he lived or something else?
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Re: occupation help

Postby liviomoreno » 18 Mar 2013, 20:04

bvbellomo wrote:BTW - I still had other questions. Am I correct that it says he died June 11th and was 80 years old? Was San Giovanni a church, or the neighborhood where he lived or something else?

You are correct about the age and the death day. I'm not familiar with Polizzi however I believe that San Giovanni is the name of the neighborhood.
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