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As to deciphering the script, you have the groom's parents' ages and can clearly see that the beginning letters of the ages of the parents of the bride do not match either of these. So her parents were not in their 50s or 70s. The beginning of the bride's parents' ages also does not look like quaranta or sessanta, so that would eliminate them being in their 40s or 60s. If in their 80s, the word should start with the letter o. The problem is that only church records, and gaining access to their baptism records, would solve the problem of determining their actual ages. These, however, are are not online and probably would be difficult to obtain, if they have not been microfilmed.bvbellomo wrote:I can only come up with 3 possible explanations:
1) The ages are all rough guesses made without considering the other people involved. E.g. she might actually be 25, her father is 40 and her mother is 41.
2) These are not her biological parents, and might be people who raised her, her godparents, etc.
3) We are reading the script wrong.
Assuming I am correct about the groom's parents' ages, yes.erudita74 wrote: As to deciphering the script, you have the groom's parents' ages and can clearly see that the beginning letters of the ages of the parents of the bride do not match either of these. So her parents were not in their 50s or 70s.
I did not consider the parents could be in their 80's. If I have the right death records (doubtful, see below), they are much younger.erudita74 wrote: The beginning of the bride's parents' ages also does not look like quaranta or sessanta, so that would eliminate them being in their 40s or 60s. If in their 80s, the word should start with the letter o. The problem is that only church records, and gaining access to their baptism records, would solve the problem of determining their actual ages. These, however, are are not online and probably would be difficult to obtain, if they have not been microfilmed.
The issue is not whether they could be legally married, but whether it is more likely an 8 year old boy got a 10 year old girl pregnant, or it is more likely that we are misreading the records. Also, if I have the right death records and they followed the Sicilian naming rules, their first daughter would be "Rosalia" and their second would be "Francesca", making her a third child or later.erudita74 wrote: As to the law concerning ages at marriage, I only know that in 1819, #152 of the code of the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies, dictated that a male could not contract marriage until he reached the age of 14 and a female until she reached the age of 12. I don't know, however, what the law was previous to this when her parents would have married, to give you an idea as to how old they could have each been at their own marriage or when she was born.
Here is the death record of the bride:erudita74 wrote: Have you tried to locate death records for the the bride or her parents? I know that death records are the least reliable as far as ages are concerned, but you might get some kind of clue from them anyway.
Based on transcriptions, I believe Maria Anna Giresi and Liborio Albanese had 9 children. Unfortunately, transcriptions do not have ages.erudita74 wrote: Also, did she have any children from this marriage, even though she might have married in her late 30s [corrected later]? If so, see what her age is on the children's birth records. Again the ages may not be accurate, but you might get a closer approximation of her age.
Erudita
I can tell you that the first letter is definitely not a P, as it is not formed like any other word in the document that begins with that letter. I believe the first letter is a C but the only other letters in this document are "ucci." So I read the name in this document as Cucci.bvbellomo wrote:Take a look at the death record I have for the father of the bride:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/332 ... /Death.jpg
I definitely see "Pucci" if I am looking for it. But the 'C' and 'P' are similar, and there almost looks like another letter after the 'i'. It doesn't take too much imagination to believe this actually says "Curcio", especially when "Pucci" is not a name in the town, and this is the only place it appears.
I do not have actual records, except for 1:erudita74 wrote: Also, why are there no ages for the groom and bride in their children's birth records? Do you have copies of the actual records?
Erudita
bvbellomo wrote:I do not have actual records, except for 1:erudita74 wrote: Also, why are there no ages for the groom and bride in their children's birth records? Do you have copies of the actual records?
Erudita
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/332 ... geti/3.jpg
This puts her birth around 1811, consistent with the idea she was 10 years younger.
Cuccia and Curcio are both names in this town, I've never seen Cucci before, Pucci appears only a few times in people born elsewhere.erudita74 wrote: I can tell you that the first letter is definitely not a P, as it is not formed like any other word in the document that begins with that letter. I believe the first letter is a C but the only other letters in this document are "ucci." So I read the name in this document as Cucci.
Erudita
There are definitely two c's and not an r and a c in the surname in the record. You can see how the r is formed in other words in the document, as in the word "marito," for example. There is no r in the surname in this record.bvbellomo wrote:Cuccia and Curcio are both names in this town, I've never seen Cucci before, Pucci appears only a few times in people born elsewhere.erudita74 wrote: I can tell you that the first letter is definitely not a P, as it is not formed like any other word in the document that begins with that letter. I believe the first letter is a C but the only other letters in this document are "ucci." So I read the name in this document as Cucci.
Erudita
Here is the rest of the marriage (that I have).
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/332 ... 20%202.pdf
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/332 ... 20%203.pdf