Castrofilippo Ancestors - Maternal Line

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Castrofilippo Ancestors - Maternal Line

Postby peonygirl » 13 May 2016, 16:14

Good morning. I have two Italian acts, one birth, one matrimony, which I have partially deciphered. First, my maternal grandmother, Maria Pitruzzella, birth act. From what I can see, these are the facts. The finer points elude me....

Name - Maria Pitruzzella
Place - Castrofilippo, Province of Girgenti (Agrigento)
Date: ? Jan 1882
Reported by - Guiseppe Pitrozzella, farmer, 30 ? years, living in Castrofilippo, on Via Giardini (Garden Way?), #12, of Angela Giuliano,living, peasant wife cohabiting with (Giuseppe).
Witnesses - Gaetano Pruti and Calogero Bellavia

Link - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=1946817

Thank you for any help you can offer.
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Postby Tessa78 » 13 May 2016, 16:27

peonygirl wrote:Good morning. I have two Italian acts, one birth, one matrimony, which I have partially deciphered. First, my maternal grandmother, Maria Pitruzzella, birth act. From what I can see, these are the facts. The finer points elude me....

Name - Maria Pitruzzella
Place - Castrofilippo, Province of Girgenti (Agrigento)
Date: ?29 Jan 1882 - Born on 28 January at 3:50 AM
Reported by - Giuseppe Pitruzzella, farmer, 39 ? years, living in Castrofilippo, on Via Giardini (Garden Way?), #12, of Angela Giuliano,living, peasant wife cohabiting with (Giuseppe).
Witnesses - Gaetano Presti, 27, shoemaker; and Calogero Bellavia, 36, manufacturer.
Only the witness Bellavia signed with the official as the others were illiterate.

Link - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=1946817

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There was no marriage act posted...

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Postby peonygirl » 13 May 2016, 16:47

Thank you, Tessa. So was this one of the marriage banns instead?

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Postby peonygirl » 13 May 2016, 16:52

Second act - Giuseppe Pitruzzella and Angela Giuliano Marriage - not sure now if it is the act or the bann.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=1946817

Groom - Giuseppe Pitruzzella
Bride - Angela Giuliano
Date - 1866
Reported by Sindaro Rinaldi Rosario that Giuseppe P., farmer, 30 years, son of Santo [P] and Concetta Augello farmers living in [Castrofilippo] to Angela Giuliano, occupation ?, daughter of Calogero [G] and Pasqua Curto.
Witnesses - Francesco Busalina for Giuseppe and Francesco Sferrazza for Salvatore????

Thank you for any help in clarifying - it was way more confusing that the birth act!
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Postby liviomoreno » 13 May 2016, 17:28

Date - 1872 Sept 22
Celebrated by Rosario Rinaldi mayor (sindaco)
Groom - Giuseppe Pitruzzella, farmer, single, 30 years, born and living in Castrofilippo, son of deceased Santo [P] and deceasedConcetta Augello farmers living (when alive) in Castrofilippo
Bride - Angela Giuliano, single, 20 years, born and living in Castrofilippo, daughter of Calogero and Pasqua Curto, both living in Castrofilippo

Witnesses - Francesco Bufalino, 31yo, son of deceased Giuseppe and Francesco Sferrazza, 23yo, son of deceased Salvatore
Bann posted on Sept 8 and 15

Edited to correct the marriage year

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Postby peonygirl » 13 May 2016, 18:13

Livio - thank you so much. I wondered how Salvatore fitted in there. This tells me that Giuseppe parents and Angela's parents we well. A little treasure of info. As these are the banns of marriage, I guess I need to search for the actual marriage act.
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Postby liviomoreno » 13 May 2016, 18:20

The record is the actual marriage celebrated Sept 22 1872
The banns were posted on Sept 8 and 15

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Postby Tessa78 » 13 May 2016, 20:52

peonygirl wrote:Thank you, Tessa. So was this one of the marriage banns instead?


The translation I edited for you was for the BIRTH of Maria Pitruzella in 1882... :-)

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Postby peonygirl » 14 May 2016, 00:10

Right - sorry to be confusing. I read your final line about no marriage act posted by which you probably meant, the daughter was born, no marriage posted. But as I in between trying to translate the marriage act of Giuseppe and Angela, I got confused and automatically thought of that marriage. The marriage of Maria to Diego is, gratefully, in English, they married in New York in 1908 once both were settled from the immigration.
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Postby peonygirl » 14 May 2016, 00:13

Thanks, Livio for refining the date from 1866 to 1872- it makes more sense. I record these items in my Family Historian software - and they went a little nuts saying the time might be an error as the ages would be beyond child-bearing years. From what I've seen, families don't tend to stop at a young age, being 40 and having children seems the norm. Who knew!
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Postby peonygirl » 16 May 2016, 00:36

Hi. I have found my grandfather's birth act - but missing is the mother's name. He was married to Carmine (carmela/carmelina) Mule'. Here is what I found. Perhaps your master eyes can see her somewhere, but I cannot. With both names being so common, it is possible that this is not him, but the date and town are a match.

Date - 4 Jul 1876
Place - Castrofilippo
Mayor or Official - Legratario Vierini
Reported by - Giuseppe Gagliano (and Diego??? ) farmer
Home - residing in Via Milano, Castrofilippo
Born - male child, Diego
Witnesses - Calogero Barba and Salvatore Graci

link - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=1946817

- Peonygirl - as always thank you for any help you can offer!

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Postby Tessa78 » 16 May 2016, 01:57

peonygirl wrote:Hi. I have found my grandfather's birth act - but missing is the mother's name. He was married to Carmine (carmela/carmelina) Mule'. Here is what I found. Perhaps your master eyes can see her somewhere, but I cannot. With both names being so common, it is possible that this is not him, but the date and town are a match.

Date - 4 Jul 1876
Place - Castrofilippo
Mayor or Official - Ignazio Vizzini , Segretario
Reported by - Giuseppe Gagliano (son of Diego??? ) 30yo farmer
Home - residing in Via Milano, #11, Castrofilippo
Born - male child, Diego
Witnesses - Calogero Barba and Salvatore Graci

link - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=1946817

- Peonygirl - as always thank you for any help you can offer!


The mother was a woman, not his wife, not a relative, and who chose not to be named.

If he married the mother later, the child(Diego) would have been "recognized" in the marriage document.
Do you have the marriage act?

Edit to add...

Found this marriage of Giuseppe Gagliano, age 32, son of living Diego; with Giovanna Restivo, in 1878. No mention of a child here.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=1946817

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Postby peonygirl » 16 May 2016, 18:05

Good morning. Thank you so much for translating the birth act for Diego Gagliano. I really appreciate your time. I’ll list what I know chronologically:

Diego Gagliano (born c 1814) was married to Giuseppa Sferrazza (b. c 1819). This is listed on Giuseppe's birth record which is attached. I could not find the original Italian record.

Giuseppe Gagliano (b. 3 Jan 1846), as listed in your Familysearch link to his marriage in 1878, states father as Diego Gagliano, mother as Giuseppa Sferrazza. The bride’s name is Giovanna Restivo, daughter of Calogero Restivo and Domenica Augello. This is puzzling. Carmine can still be Diego’s biological mother – I will also continue to search for the marriage act of Giuseppe to see if I can find evidence of his son being recognized.

Diego's marriage record (1908) lists his father as Giuseppe Gagliano and mother Carmine Mule' (attached). Carmine Mule' was born 5 Sep 1836. She is the child of Paolo Mule' (1784 – 1840) and Rosa Lo Brutto (1808 -?).

I am hoping this information will help - I really appreciate your skill and expertise. It feels as though we are unraveling the beginning threads....
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Giuseppe Gagliano birth record

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Postby Tessa78 » 17 May 2016, 16:46

peonygirl wrote:Good morning. Thank you so much for translating the birth act for Diego Gagliano. I really appreciate your time. I’ll list what I know chronologically:

Diego Gagliano (born c 1814) was married to Giuseppa Sferrazza (b. c 1819). This is listed on Giuseppe's birth record which is attached. I could not find the original Italian record.

Giuseppe Gagliano (b. 3 Jan 1846), as listed in your Familysearch link to his marriage in 1878, states father as Diego Gagliano, mother as Giuseppa Sferrazza. The bride’s name is Giovanna Restivo, daughter of Calogero Restivo and Domenica Augello. This is puzzling. Carmine can still be Diego’s biological mother – I will also continue to search for the marriage act of Giuseppe to see if I can find evidence of his son being recognized.

Diego's marriage record (1908) lists his father as Giuseppe Gagliano and mother Carmine Mule' (attached). Carmine Mule' was born 5 Sep 1836. She is the child of Paolo Mule' (1784 – 1840) and Rosa Lo Brutto (1808 -?).

I am hoping this information will help - I really appreciate your skill and expertise. It feels as though we are unraveling the beginning threads....


Giuseppe Gagliano ALREADY acknowledged his son Diego in the birth act giving the chid his surname, so you will not find an additional recognition by him.
It may be difficut to ever find out who Diego's mother was.

Where did you find the information about Carmine Mulè? and the names of her parents?
I see that her name appears on Diego's marriage record in the US.

I located this death act for a Carmella Mulè in Castrofilippo in February 1878... (Giuseppe and Giovanna Restivo were married in November of that year)

I do not know if this is the "Carmine Mulè" that you refer to... parents are different.
This Carmella is 25 years old and single. It is POSSIBLE that she is the unnamed mother of Diego - but parents are listed as Angelo Mulè and Rosaria Castellano.

http://interactive.ancestry.com/1892/31 ... 8238-03007

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Postby peonygirl » 17 May 2016, 17:43

Hello. Thank you, thank you, thank you for all your diligent work.
Yes, yesterday was a very active day for searching. While I found Diego (1811) father, Vito Gagliano, and his father, Calogero going back to the 1700s, I was not able to find any deeper info on Carmine Mule or Diego's (1876) mother.

The search results I put in my previous email were from Familysearch. They are U.S. Records. For Diego's marriage to Maria, her name is listed as Carmine Mule'. However, in his death record, also recorded in U.S., it is listed as Carmelina Milo, Familysearch. That could be due to phonetically recording the name. I guess I am willing to let there be an open end. In which case I have a whole line of pedigrees that are irrelevant to my name!

Thanks for the link to the Carmella Mule' - but she doesn't seem to fit. What's surprising to me is that the father claimed the son, but the mother did not. What would make a mother totally disown a child - whether they planned to care for it or not? Even if Diego was the result of wild night with women unknown, I am amazed that the woman had a choice in not being named. Unless it is a tactful remark by the official saying she did not want to be listed when, in fact, she was long gone already. I learned, through Italian Records by Cole, that the child was not considered illegitimate as they were innocent but the parents were the illegitimate ones. In any case, I will move on and come back to this when all the other ancestors are filled out in my trusty fan chart. Onward.....!
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