Nati - Lucia Di Rago

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Nati - Lucia Di Rago

Postby abbywhite650 » 01 Jul 2016, 23:26

Hi,

Is someone willing and available to get me all the dates, names, relationships, etc from this document?

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0

Information I had before I found this.

Lucia Di Rago born July - approximately 1854

Father: Francesco Di Rago
Mother: Apollonia Duna
City: Viggiano

Her marriage record was translated previously on this forum.

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Jackie

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Re: Nati - Lucia Di Rago

Postby AngelaGrace56 » 02 Jul 2016, 00:26

Birth Record No 98: Viggiano: 21 July 1855, 12.00
Appearing was Maria Rosa Spolidoro, daughter of Vincenzo, 66 yo, Levatrice (midwife), living in Viggiano, to present a baby girl and reported that she was born to Donna Apollonia “Dema”, 33, living in Viggiano, and Signor Francesco di Rago, 33 yo, Civile (Landowner – large holding), (born) on 20 July at 12.00 at their home in Strada S. Pietro. The baby girl was named Lucia di Rago.

Witnesses:
Giuseppe Trinchitella, son of Domenico, 33yo, contadino, and Domenico Abbate, son of Pasquale, 60, contadino, both living in Viggiano.


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Re: Nati - Lucia Di Rago

Postby abbywhite650 » 02 Jul 2016, 00:34

Thank you so much Angela!

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Re: Nati - Lucia Di Rago

Postby AngelaGrace56 » 02 Jul 2016, 00:54

You are very welcome, Jackie. Just note that Apollonia's surname is "Dema" not Duna. Letters u m n all look the same sometimes! I know that when I typed the Marriage Record for you a few days ago I looked very closely at the record and interpreted it then as "Dema" and nobody questioned it. Let me know though, if you know otherwise.

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Re: Nati - Lucia Di Rago

Postby abbywhite650 » 02 Jul 2016, 01:00

Thanks Angela! Sorry about the confusion.

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Re: Nati - Lucia Di Rago

Postby AngelaGrace56 » 02 Jul 2016, 01:55

Good question. In this record, I believe the word Donna is a title of respect and I'm wondering why her husband is not referred to as "Don", although I have seen this before in my own records. It would be like saying Madam or Lady I guess. They were reasonable wealthy, I would suggest, being landowners.

Just to confuse us: "una donna" is "a woman".

Signor and Signora, are "Mr and Mrs".

I'll see what I can pull out later to expand a little. I'm a little "on the hop" at the minute. Will come back later or someone else might explain better meantime.

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Re: Nati - Lucia Di Rago

Postby abbywhite650 » 02 Jul 2016, 03:15

Thanks Angela - I just ran both Donna and Signor thru Google translate and they seem to be equivalent.

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Re: Nati - Lucia Di Rago

Postby AngelaGrace56 » 02 Jul 2016, 04:15

Focussing on our Italian Civil Records, and particularly in the South, my understanding is that “Don” (Lord) before a man's name, and “Donna” (Lady) before a woman's name, while sometimes indicating noble birth, was often served as a title of respect for a person of high social standing within a town – be it because of wealth, education or political position etc. (People such as property owners, priests, doctors, lawyers etc.) The use of Signor and Signora in the Italian Civil Records would also be a title of respect - agreed:-0 (But maybe not always, to the same degree? I'll have to go back and look at my own records to see how my medics, landowners, lawyers etc were addressed in the records. I know I've seen both titles used.)

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Re: Nati - Lucia Di Rago

Postby abbywhite650 » 02 Jul 2016, 11:21

So exciting! I thought the name Apollina was royal enough. I'm working on finding her birth certificate. Also, this birth announcement was the first one that i found where the midwife took the baby into town. My other one's so far....the father presented the baby.

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Re: Nati - Lucia Di Rago

Postby AngelaGrace56 » 03 Jul 2016, 09:02

Cool. There's always a first for everything. If you haven't already begun looking for Appollino's birth record, it is a good idea to find Appollino and Francesco's marriage record first. This will confirm for you Appollino's birth town and give you her parents names as well.

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Re: Nati - Lucia Di Rago

Postby abbywhite650 » 03 Jul 2016, 11:58

Thanks Angela - the problem with their marriage record is that I don't know if there are any other children to determine their marriage year. I've already looked thru the 1822 records in Viggiano and didn't find them. My next step is to look thru the 1821 Viggiano records. (Today's project)

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Re: Nati - Lucia Di Rago

Postby AngelaGrace56 » 03 Jul 2016, 13:25

I understand. I did have a quick look for their marriage record, just using the indices, and working backwards several years from the year of Lucia's birth, but I didn't see their names. I did work quickly though so may have missed it. Francesco di Rago is quite a popular name in Viggiano so you won't really be able to be sure that a record you find for "Francesco di Rago" is the right one, unless there is an annotation in the margin saying he married Appollino Dema (which would be very helpful). (That's why it is important to find their marriage record first, to establish who his parents were, unless you already know.)

Re: Appollina Dema's Birth Record, because I didn't see their marriage record in any of the indices, and also because the surname "Dema" doesn't seem to be plentiful in Viggiano, I'm wondering whether she was actually born elsewhere. If you don't have luck looking through the birth records, then her death record should have her place of birth and parents names.
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Re: Nati - Lucia Di Rago

Postby abbywhite650 » 03 Jul 2016, 14:09

Thanks Angela - I'm limited as to what I can see from home and my local family history center isn't open until Wednesday. I should find something within the next week.

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Death Record: Apollino Dema

Postby AngelaGrace56 » 03 Jul 2016, 15:19

Found her! She was born in Viggiano so that's good. The marriage record should be there, I am using my laptop so possibly missed it.

Death No 36: (Donna) Apollina Dema
Viggiano: 13 May 1884, 8.30 am
She died yesterday, 12 May 1884, 4.30 a.m. at a place in Contrada S. Pietro, No 14 and was aged 60 (circa 1824). Her occupation was possidente (land owner). She was the daughter of the deceased (Don) Pasquale (landowner), and the deceased Rufinamaria Di Cunto, also a possidente. Both parents resided in Viggiano when living and Apollina was the wife of Francesco di Rago.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=2043547

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Re: Nati - Lucia Di Rago

Postby abbywhite650 » 03 Jul 2016, 15:52

So excited.

Thank you so much Angela - you seem almost as happy as I am. She was deceased by June 13, 1884 when her daughter got married, I just didn't realize it was so close.

So nice to see the next generation as well.

Off to find Apollina's birth record.

Happy fourth to you as well.

Jackie


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