Now that you guys & gal came up with "civile" I can see it Thank you so much.
Maria, thanks again for posting the image for me. I have a death document in Latin that I'm going to try again to post myself, but I may be emailing you & imposing on your good nature again. Not sure what I am doing wrong
Tommaso, about "tagliatellario" could it be a Latin word It's been driving me crazy for six years
Have a great day, everyone and thanks for the help.