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Italian names

Postby pangeli » 20 Apr 2006, 04:36

I have documents that list an ancestor's given name as GioBatta on same documents and GioBattista on other documents. Is GioBatta short for GioBattista? Thanks
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Re: Italian names

Postby elba » 20 Apr 2006, 04:51

It's probably a shortened version of Giovanni Battista...

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Re: Italian names

Postby Incipit » 20 Apr 2006, 11:31

Sometimes Giobatta has really become a name, but normally it is only the abbreviated version of Giovan Battista, since Giovanni was written Gio. and Battista was written Batt.a.

Pay attention to the interpunction / abbreviation signs:

If you read Giobatta in your document, the name is really Giobatta, but if you see Gio.batt.a, or Gio.Battista, you must read it as Giovanbattista or (older form) Giovanni Battista.

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Re: Italian names

Postby pangeli » 20 Apr 2006, 17:26

Thank you your answer is really informative. I assume that arcangiolo and angiolo are also the same name but the arc version is older. Am I correct? Patricia
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Re: Italian names

Postby Incipit » 20 Apr 2006, 21:06

Hi,

No, sorry, Arcangiolo or Arcangelo is not an older version, but simply a longer one, and is different from Angiolo/Angelo.
Infact angels and archangels are not the same thing!
However today in Italy we usually use Angelo as a name.

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Re: Italian names

Postby pangeli » 21 Apr 2006, 02:18

Thanks again. I have a question about surnames that are very similar. My father's surname in Italy is Agnoloni from Tuscany region. There is also a surname Angeloni from this same region. Would these names represent the same family in ancient times? I ask this because my mother's surname is Pinney. Brothers sometimes changed the spelling, that is one would be Pinney another Pinne. Was there such a practice in Italy? Patricia
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Re: Italian names

Postby Incipit » 21 Apr 2006, 18:43

Probably it's the same surname in different times, like Angelo=Angiolo=Agnolo.

But sometimes surnames quite similar are totally irrelated...

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Re: Italian names

Postby pangeli » 24 Apr 2006, 22:22

Hi, I attempted to e-mail your at your business address yesterday and it was returned no such address. The address I used was incipitss@gmail.it. Please send me the correct e-mail or another address so I can submit for an estimate research in the Firenze area. Thanks patricia Angeli
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Re: Italian names

Postby Incipit » 24 Apr 2006, 23:34

The correct e-mail address is
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Sorry, where did you get the other address?

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Re: Italian names

Postby pangeli » 25 Apr 2006, 02:09

The address is on your website under services
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Re: Italian names

Postby Incipit » 25 Apr 2006, 13:45

Sorry for this mistake...
I have yet corrected the eng. homepage

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