NEED HELP . . . Nicolo Mehle BIRTH PLACE in Italy

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NEED HELP . . . Nicolo Mehle BIRTH PLACE in Italy

Postby krobertson » 29 Jan 2009, 17:54

NEED HELP IN FINDING BIRTH PLACE in Italy

Our family has searched for years to find where our ggrandrfather was born. Is there SOMEONE THAT CAN HELP US FIND HIS BIRTH PLACE in Italy.

A great aunt said that the post mark on the letters, when translated to English meant " Waters of Moses" It is in Northern Italy.

Nicolo came to the USA in 1880, with a brother ( do not know his name) who was a professional violin player. The brother returned to Italy.

Nicolo MEHLE Italy Spelling

NICHOLAS MALEY ( US spelling)
Born in 1864 ( don't know where)
Married 1886 in Philadelphia, PA to Catherine Jane Claxton
Died June 16, 1929 Philadelphia, PA

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: NEED HELP . . . Nicolo Mehle BIRTH PLACE in Italy

Postby PeterTimber » 29 Jan 2009, 20:08

Are you a family member or a hired hand? What I mean is that none of the leads provided are productive and there might be further family leads that have been overlooked, withheld or are part of family oral history which you maynot be party to.

The only positive step that I can offer is that there are only two persons (possibly related) residing in Padova, Italy who may have some knoweldge about the family.

Perhaps a form in Italian to a possible relative may be sent to eithe or both. www.initaly.com/gene/mem/letter1.htm

Go to www.paginebianche.it and put in Mehle inthe first line and VENETO (for Veneto region)in second line and click cerca for full names,addresses and telephone numbers. =Peter=
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Re: NEED HELP . . . Nicolo Mehle BIRTH PLACE in Italy

Postby krobertson » 29 Jan 2009, 20:40

I will look in the white pages.

thanks

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Postby jcat » 29 Jan 2009, 20:40

As Peter timber stated:"There might be further family leads overlooked" is there a way you could check with the city or county in which he resided to obtain documents such as naturalization papers ? The county would be a good place to start. If there is a record of naturalization this will provide a lot of info, and a death certificate if you are able to obtain it.

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Re: NEED HELP . . . Nicolo Mehle BIRTH PLACE in Italy

Postby suanj » 29 Jan 2009, 21:33

by 1920 census, seeming born in 1860...:
1920 United States Federal Census
about Nicholas Maley
Name: Nicholas Maley
Home in 1920: Philadelphia Ward 24, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Age: 60 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Widow
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Year of Immigration: 1888
Able to read: No
Able to Write: No
Image: 1060
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Nicholas Maley 60
Harry White 36
Arthur Christ 65


In 1900 we know that was born in aug 1859:

1900 United States Federal Census
about Nicholas Malley
Name: Nicholas Malley
Home in 1900: Philadelphia Ward 24, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Age: 40
Birth Date: Aug 1859
Birthplace: Italy
Race: White
Ethnicity: American
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1880
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Spouse's Name: Catharine
Marriage Year: 1886
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 14
Residence : Philadelphia City, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Nicholas Malley 40
Catharine Malley 36
Mary M Malley 13
Allice Malley 12

so the goal is to find the italian surname spelling: Mele, Miele, Meli, Mieli???
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Re: NEED HELP . . . Nicolo Mehle BIRTH PLACE in Italy

Postby BillieDeKid » 29 Jan 2009, 22:25

krobertson wrote:NEED HELP IN FINDING BIRTH PLACE in Italy

A great aunt said that the post mark on the letters, when translated to English meant " Waters of Moses" It is in Northern Italy.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,
k Robertson


Hi k. Robertson,

Can you scan the the envelope with the post mark and upload it here so suanj can take a look at it? I think that might get you going in the right direction and if suanj can read the postmark, more than likely she can tell you the correct italian spelling of the surname.

Just a suggestion.

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Postby suanj » 30 Jan 2009, 06:42

good idea Elizabeth....! hugs,
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Postby uantiti » 30 Jan 2009, 08:50

krobertson wrote:NEED HELP IN FINDING BIRTH PLACE in Italy


A great aunt said that the post mark on the letters, when translated to English meant " Waters of Moses" It is in Northern Italy.



In case you don't have any envelope showing the post mark, can you tell us how that place "Waters of Moses" would have sound, more or less, when read in Italian? How can you say that the place was in Northern Italy?
I found a name of a village but it's in the Calabria region, Southern Italy: ACQUAFORMOSA province of Cosenza. The meaning in English is not Waters of Moses but to a non-Italian speaking this could have been the translation.

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Postby trevisan2 » 30 Jan 2009, 14:28

I have a few of my own lines, that I have searched and searched and searched, to no avail.
I looked up the white pages yesterday and spoke with a Stefano Mehle of Padova. I asked him where his surmane orginated from. While he did not know exactly, he thought it came from the Slavia area, just over the border of Italy.
He also gave me a phone number of his aunt in Udine.

Stefano went on to say, that a uncle Domenico Mehle had emmigrated to the US to the state of Colorado and died in Utah.

I asked Stefano how his name was prounounced? He said the "h" was silent.

We exchanged email addressess and Stefano too would like to know how the research turns out.

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Re: NEED HELP . . . Nicolo Mehle BIRTH PLACE in Italy

Postby krobertson » 30 Jan 2009, 14:41

I am looking for NICOLO MEHLE born in Italy in 1860-1864.

His tomb stone says death date of 1864, but other family records say 1860.
We are trying to look up the naturalization papers at the moment.

All of the letters, my aunt had, were lost in the Teton dam flood.
Most of the older family members have passed away, and us great grand children only know the stories of bits and pieces that have been passed down about Nicolo Mehle.

I appreciate all the help the forum is giving me.

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Postby wldspirit » 31 Jan 2009, 06:33

I may have missed it....but have you sent for the marriage application of Nicolo and wife? Checked for baptism records of the two girls?
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Postby Joannsalvo » 10 May 2010, 23:11

I found the 1910 census.
It looks like he only filed his intent but maybe he was not naturalized.

Nicholas Mehley, he always lived on Lancaster ave.

The census states: •Pa - First papers filed (declaration of intent)

Maybe try to locate their marriage record.

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Postby suanj » 11 May 2010, 10:15

Hi, it could be the 1900 census:
1900 United States Federal Census
about Nicholas Malley
Name: Nicholas Malley
Home in 1900: Philadelphia Ward 24, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Age: 40
Birth Date: Aug 1859
Birthplace: Italy

Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1880
Relationship to Head of House: Head
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Spouse's name: Catharine
Marriage Year: 1886
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 14
Residence : Philadelphia City, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Nicholas Malley 40
Catharine Malley 36 (b. Jan 1864 Pennsylvania)
Mary M Malley 13 (b. Mar 1887 ditto)
Allice Malley 12 (b. Feb 1887 ditto)

and
1910:
Name: Nicholas Mebley
[Nicholas Mehley]
Age in 1910: 51
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Spouse's name: Kate
Home in 1910: Philadelphia Ward 24, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1880
Neighbors: View others on page

Household Members: Name Age
Nicholas Mebley 51
Kate Mebley 46


1920:
Name: Nicholas Maley
[Nicholas Mehle]

Home in 1920: Philadelphia Ward 24, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
[Head]
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Widowed
[Widow]
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Year of Immigration: 1888
Able to read: No
Able to Write: No
Neighbors: View others on page

Household Members: Name Age
Nicholas Maley 60
Harry White 36
Arthur Christ 65

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Re: NEED HELP . . . Nicolo Mehle BIRTH PLACE in Italy

Postby pink67 » 11 May 2010, 13:38

krobertson wrote:NICHOLAS MALEY ( US spelling)
Born in 1864 ( don't know where)
Married 1886 in Philadelphia, PA to Catherine Jane Claxton
Died June 16, 1929 Philadelphia, PA


:?:

Just for references:

Catherine Jane Claxton
Female
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Event(s):
Birth: About 1860 Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

Christening:
Death: 28 FEB 1915 Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

Burial: 03 MAR 1915 Holy Mother Of Sorrows, , Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Parents:
Father: Richard William Claxton
Mother: Ann Dalton

the family of Richard William and Ann Claxton:

Family Group Record
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Husband
Richard William Claxton
Birth: 1832 , , Ireland
Christening:
Marriage: 1835 , , Ireland
Death: About 1894 , , Pennsylvania
Burial: Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Wife
Ann Dalton
Birth: 1838 , , Ireland
Christening:
Marriage: 1835 , , Ireland
Death: About 1910 Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Burial:
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Children
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1. Mary Claxton
Female

Birth: About 1855 Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
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2. Alice Claxton
Female

Birth: About 1858 Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
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3. Catherine Jane Claxton
Female
Birth: About 1860 Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Christening:
Death: 28 FEB 1915 Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Burial: 03 MAR 1915 Holy Mother Of Sorrows, , Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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4. Teresa Claxton
Female
Birth: About 1861 Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
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5. Sophia Claxton
Female
Birth: About 1864 Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
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6. Thomas Claxton
Male
Birth: About 1867 Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
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7. George William Claxton
Male
Birth: MAY 1870 Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
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8. Clara Claxton
Female
Birth: About 1873 Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


So, possible Nicola's wife real name was Sophia Claxton?

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Postby pink67 » 11 May 2010, 13:54

wldspirit wrote:I may have missed it....but have you sent for the marriage application of Nicolo and wife? Checked for baptism records of the two girls?
wldspirit


Ok, found it...

Catherine CLAXTON (AFN: 4MKB-48) Pedigree
Sex: F Family
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Event(s)
Birth: 1864
Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pa
Death: 28 Feb 1915

Burial:
Holy Cross Cemetery, , Delware County, Pa

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Parents
Father: Richard CLAXTON (AFN: CRHK-QM) Family
Mother: Ann DALTON (AFN: CRHK-RS)
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Marriage(s)
Spouse: Nicholas MEHLE (MALEY) (AFN: 4MKB-33) Family
Marriage: 1886

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