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looking for a town

Postby thegreypigeon » 25 Jul 2010, 13:32

I'm looking for a town but the only spelling I have is from the census.It is written as Casenle and then as casanli My great granfather was a Prete who came to britain That's all I have

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Re: looking for a town

Postby vj » 25 Jul 2010, 13:47

Welcome to the Forum!
If this is your family's 1891 census, you're right it's difficult to make out the location (and the correction) in Italy.
There may be a neighbor from the same comune several lines down
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possible 1891 census
http://a.imageshack.us/img715/3923/1891p.jpg

My best guess:
the comune of Conca Casale, province of Isernia, Molise region
- abt 50 km from Atina, his wife's birthplace on the census
(Atina, province of Frosinone, Lazio region)

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Re: looking for a town

Postby Tessa78 » 25 Jul 2010, 14:19

Looking at his wife's place of birth - Atina -
Atina, comune of Atina - province: Frosinone - region: Lazio
Atina Inferiore, comune of Atina - province: Frosinone - region: Lazio

a good guess (since there are over 21 Casali listings in the frazioni, and even more Casale!) - might be this one.

Casali, comune of Giuliano di Roma - province: Frosinone - region: Lazio

(Hi Valarie :-D )

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Re: looking for a town

Postby vj » 25 Jul 2010, 14:26

Hi T :D
I was typing while you were posting
Thanks for your expertise - this is a tough one
I didn't try the surnames Prete or Porcelli in either locations (from the 1891 census)
I did look at manifests with towns beginning with 'C' with no conclusive results

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Re: looking for a town

Postby Tessa78 » 25 Jul 2010, 14:29

Hi Valarie :-D

I like your Guess better than mine! :-)
I didn't think to look at Molise region...
Giuliano di Roma (Frosinone) is farther, about 81 km from Atina...

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Re: looking for a town

Postby Tessa78 » 25 Jul 2010, 14:38

Checking the Italian Phone book...
There are 7 Prete in Conca Casale today.
for the other Casali, Giuliano di Roma, the names are Del Prete or Di Prete.

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Re: looking for a town

Postby vj » 25 Jul 2010, 14:59

If you want to write to the comunes (using our guesses) for birth records, these may help
If they married in Italy, Atina should have that record

Italian form letter generator with instructions:
http://www.circolocalabrese.org/resourc ... civile.asp

Or other helpful form letters:
http://www.angelfire.com/ok3/pearlsofwi ... tters.html

Addresses:

(for Atina and Atina Inferiore)

Comune di Atina
Ufficio dello Stato Civile
Piazza Volsci
03042 Atina FR
ITALY

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Comune di Conca Casale
Ufficio dello Stato Civile
Piazza Chiesa 1
86070 Conca Casale IS
ITALY

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(for Casali)

Comune di Giuliano di Roma
Ufficio dello Stato Civile
Via Borgo Vittorio Emanuele
03020 Giuliano di Roma FR
ITALY

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Website for finding comune addresses:
http://www.nonsolocap.it/

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Thanks T :D !

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Re: looking for a town

Postby suanj » 25 Jul 2010, 15:33

I am positive abt Conca Casale( birthplace of husband) and Atina ( birthplace of wife) ...
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Postby thegreypigeon » 25 Jul 2010, 18:01

I can't believe the speed of reply from so many intelligent people. Cheers. The Atina one suits as it fits with other pieces I have. They did not marry in Italy but against her family wishes, ran away and were married in London in 1891. They stayed in Holborn next to others of her name ( Manicini ).
Victor worked as an ice cream vendor before moving to Scotland where he had a couple of failed ice cream shops ( poor gambling took care of them. ) He ended up working as a labourer. I have a relation who has some information but refuses to share it . So thanks again.
( I have no idea if he had any brothers of sisters although I know his parents names.)
If Rosalie Mancini is from Atina then I can trace her back to the 1700's

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Re: looking for a town

Postby vj » 25 Jul 2010, 20:30

suanj wrote:I am positive abt Conca Casale( birthplace of husband) and Atina ( birthplace of wife) ...
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Thank you suanj :D !

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Postby vj » 25 Jul 2010, 20:32

thegreypigeon wrote:I can't believe the speed of reply from so many intelligent people. Cheers. The Atina one suits as it fits with other pieces I have. They did not marry in Italy but against her family wishes, ran away and were married in London in 1891. They stayed in Holborn next to others of her name ( Manicini ).
Victor worked as an ice cream vendor before moving to Scotland where he had a couple of failed ice cream shops ( poor gambling took care of them. ) He ended up working as a labourer. I have a relation who has some information but refuses to share it . So thanks again.
( I have no idea if he had any brothers of sisters although I know his parents names.)
If Rosalie Mancini is from Atina then I can trace her back to the 1700's


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