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No church in comune?

Postby DeFilippis78 » 05 Nov 2010, 02:19

I cant seem to find a church in Stella Cilento in Salerno? Either Im looking in the wrong places or there really isnt one. If thats so, where would people have been married in baptized near there?

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Re: No church in comune?

Postby Tessa78 » 05 Nov 2010, 02:38

When searching the Italian phone book for a church in Stella Cilento, it returns the Parish of S. Antonio in Omignano, an adjacent town.

http://www.paginebianche.it/execute.cgi ... lento&ind=

Yet, on the official site for the comune, if you click on Sightseeing (Gite Turistiche) you will find many churches listed... probably in the surrounding comuni, since Stella Cilento has only 354 families.


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Re: No church in comune?

Postby DeFilippis78 » 05 Nov 2010, 03:01

This is what i dont understand...354 families? How busy can they be yet they repeatedly ignore my requests for records and Ive been trying for a year. I thought I would go through the churches

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Re: No church in comune?

Postby JohnArmellino » 05 Nov 2010, 05:01

La chiesa di San Nicola is located in Stella Cilento. There are also two chapels located there: Cappella S. Antonio and Cappella S. Rocco. Go to http://web.tiscali.it/stellacilento/Storia/storia.html to view photos and info.
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Re: No church in comune?

Postby liviomoreno » 05 Nov 2010, 05:47

There are two Parishes in Stella Cilento
1 Ss. Pietro e Giovanni

2 S. Nicola di Bari

see http://www.parrocchie.it/gear/qlist.htm ... d_cognome=

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Postby Italysearcher » 05 Nov 2010, 12:05

Have you tried emailing the URP of Stella Cilento and asking what civil records they have? LDS don't appear to have any and the town was known by the name of Porcili before 1870.
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Re: No church in comune?

Postby DeFilippis78 » 05 Nov 2010, 13:26

Italysearcher wrote:Have you tried emailing the URP of Stella Cilento and asking what civil records they have? LDS don't appear to have any and the town was known by the name of Porcili before 1870.


Really? Thats very interesting that it had a different name! Im looking for records from around 1875. Ive emailed and wrote letters with no luck. Its such a small town though. Im wondering if they hold their own records or another town keeps their archives.

As far as the churches listed above, I was hoping to contact them for records.Is there any way to find out how old these churches are so I know if they were around when my family was there?

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Re: No church in comune?

Postby DeFilippis78 » 05 Nov 2010, 13:32

JohnArmellino wrote:La chiesa di San Nicola is located in Stella Cilento. There are also two chapels located there: Cappella S. Antonio and Cappella S. Rocco. Go to http://web.tiscali.it/stellacilento/Storia/storia.html to view photos and info.


Thats a nice link. My family is supposedly from Amalafede. They said only 30 people live there today and they are all old. There is an old pic too.

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Re: No church in comune?

Postby JohnArmellino » 05 Nov 2010, 15:21

Is there any way to find out how old these churches are so I know if they were around when my family was there?


There is a painting in the Museo Diocesano di Vallo della Lucania by Andrea Sabatini of Porcilli, which is dated to 1520. This painting was originally located in la chiesa di San Nicola. So it would seem that the church dates back at least that far. In addition, Porcili apparently dates back to the 10th or 11th century; chances are that la chiesa di San Nicola (who is the patron saint of the comune) is very old.
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Re: No church in comune?

Postby DeFilippis78 » 05 Nov 2010, 18:53

Thank you John , thats wonderful information. So now Im wondering, why did it change its name from Porcili to Stella Cilento? Is it common for comuni to change names over time?

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Postby JohnArmellino » 05 Nov 2010, 20:16

So now Im wondering, why did it change its name from Porcili to Stella Cilento? Is it common for comuni to change names over time?


Many comuni changed their names at the time of unification. It seems that many comuni were using the same name throughout the newly unified peninsular. Thus, names were changed (Porcili to Stella Cilento, perhaps) or altered (Martina to Martina Franca) to prevent confusion.

Of course, there were other reasons such as when towns were merged. In the case of Ripalimosani, the original comune of Ripa changed its name to Ripalimosani to honor the inhabitants of the comune of Limosano, who had sheltered them when Ripa was attacked by the Romans. A nice story.

So why did Porcili change its name? Well, there are three frazioni that have the same or similar name as Porcili: Porcele in the comune of Ruoti, Porcele in the comune of Valbrevenna, and Porcili in the comune of Cetraro. Then again, perhaps they just wanted to change its name from "pigsties".
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Re: No church in comune?

Postby DeFilippis78 » 05 Nov 2010, 20:38

LOL! That name is based on piggies!!??

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Postby JohnArmellino » 05 Nov 2010, 21:03

Era chiamata fino alla fine del XIX secolo "Porcili", per l'elevata presenza di allevamenti di suini; siccome tale nome dava un'immagine poco gradevole del luogo, l'amministrazione lo modificò in Stella Cilento, con riferimento al vicino monte: il Monte Stella. La specifica Cilento identifica la zona.

Yes, it was called Porcili [literal translation: pigsties] because of the presence of many pig farms, but was later changed because of the negative impression that the name made. The name Stella Cilento was chosen because of the proximity to Mount Stella and its location in the Cilento zone or area. It appears to be a very beautiful area.
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Re: No church in comune?

Postby DeFilippis78 » 05 Nov 2010, 21:12

You are very informative John. This is great stuff your teaching me! So, is it safe to assume then at some point, in that part of my family, there were pig farmers? And my family was in the frazioni amalafede supposedly. Does that word mean anything?

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Re: No church in comune?

Postby JohnArmellino » 05 Nov 2010, 21:26

The frazione of Amalafede was originally called Bonafede. I don't know the meaning of each name, but...

ama means loves
la fede means faith
bona means good

bona/fede = good faith?
ama/la/fede = love the faith?

Just guessing...I have no idea.
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