A long list of unknown italian localities, help needed

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A long list of unknown italian localities, help needed

Postby Bottrop » 20 Aug 2004, 12:55

During research for an exhibition about italian immigrants to the Ruhr-Area (Germany) in the late 1800s and early 1900s, we encounterd a list of unknown localities in probably northern Italy.
Any help to identify the correct names would be much appreciated.
We currently use the locality database of this very site and the following link:
http://www.enit.it/comuni.asp?Lang=IT
The records we have to deal with are from coal mines and you have to keep in mind that the people who wrote down the information where not native italian speakers.
The towns we need information about are:
Place of birth - Province if unknown = npa
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***[Argua - Pragenca] most probably: Arqua' Petrarca, Padova
Bastionsdestrade (npa) Surname:Aviani
Belucca (npa) Surname:Mazzorano
Bogno (npa) Surname: Francini
***[Calindastro - Fielneza]probably: Calendasco,Piacenza
***[Cejcomagion (npa)] is Cesiomaggiore, Belluno
***[Cesie - Perugia] most probably: Cascia, Perugia
***[Forzaso - Bellino] is in fact: Fonzaso,Belluno
Isolo Velia Sali (npa) Surname:Soffiati
Jonzalio (npa) Surname:Toigo
***[Lescolo - Jorca] is in fact: Lessolo, Torino
Loinaca - Jorea Surname:Casetto
Loinaza - Joria Surname: Casetto (same person as above)
***[Monsechio (npa)] correct record found: Montecchio Maggiore,Vicenza
***[Nogardi - Crevetta] , most probably:Nogaredo
***[Pazzaglica - Pangia] probably: Panchia, Trento
***[Piaccuzo (npa)] is: Piacenza, Emilia Romagna
Ranecgno (npa) Surname:Armelini
Redine (npa) Surname:Piol
Saurostana (npa) Surname:Buchini
Sennegalien (npa) Surname:Bellagamba
Sestiat - Rogara Surname:Terrani
Sestrat - Boguva Surname:Teranni (same person as above!)
*** [Strambusello (npa)] most probably: Strambinello, Torino
*** [Tallavello - Cravaso] most probably: Cavaso del Tomba, Treviso
*** [Trevinde - Treniglio] is in fact: Treviglio, Bergamo
Tultze (npa) Surname: Bartolott
*** [Villa Castelno - Jarca] is in fact:
Castelnuovo Nigra/Villa Castelnuovo, Torino
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Thanks for any help
Martin Walders
Museum of the City of Bottrop

NOTE: Locations marked with '***' have been resolved by the help of Community members in this Forum
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Re: A long list of unknown italian localities, help needed

Postby tbottegal » 20 Aug 2004, 15:46

Hi,

My suspicion is that
    Forzaso - Bellino
should be
    FONZASO (Belluno)

a tiny village about half-way between the cities of Trento and Belluno, near Feltre.

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Re: A long list of unknown italian localities, help needed

Postby Bottrop » 20 Aug 2004, 16:18

Tank You, TBottegal
Fonzaso (BL) could be right - the surname of the miners (Angelo Pellin,*21.04.1887, Antonio Pellin, *24.10.1887 ) is frequent in this town but missing in Bellino(CN),Piemonte.
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Re: A long list of unknown italian localities, help needed

Postby ptimber » 20 Aug 2004, 18:13

Your best bet is to go to the home page of this forum and select from the column on the left locations in Italy and there you can narrow your search with sounds like inputs which will then offer alternatives to real towns. Peter
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Re: A long list of unknown italian localities, help needed

Postby Bottrop » 20 Aug 2004, 21:59

[quote="ptimber"]Your best bet is to go to the home page of this forum and select from the column on the left locations in Italy and there you can narrow your search with sounds like inputs which will then offer alternatives to real towns. Peter[/quote]
Thanks Peter for this hint, but this is already done ('part of names' - 'sounds like' etc.)... it was really helpfull in some cases. We started with about 70 locations.
The list shows only localities we could not find out by using this 'Locations in Italy' database and the Enit Site.
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Re: A long list of unknown italian localities, help needed

Postby ptimber » 20 Aug 2004, 22:13

Sorry about re-inventing the wheel but your lack of detail threw me. It is a tough nut to crack because it will require hours of research and cross referencing. I suppose you already have used the italian surname dictionary to narrow down the area of dominance of one surname as opposed to another (north -south, Lombardia versus Veneto etc). Peter
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Re: A long list of unknown italian localities, help needed

Postby Bottrop » 20 Aug 2004, 22:36

You are right Peter, it is hard work, because not only the names of towns are often misspelled even the family names are sometimes curios written (e.g. Hubart Bohso for Umberto Bosco). We have about 1.400 records for coal miners (1872 to 1920) and most of them we could locate somewhere in Northern Italy.
So I will use the family name database (is it www.pubblinet.com/nomi/ ??).
thanks for your support
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Re: A long list of unknown italian localities, help needed

Postby ptimber » 20 Aug 2004, 22:40

What about www. surnameweb.org? peter
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Re: A long list of unknown italian localities, help needed

Postby Gigizagani » 21 Aug 2004, 18:25

The real name is PANCHIA' near TRENTO (Trentino Alto Adige)

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Re: A long list of unknown italian localities, help needed

Postby Gigizagani » 21 Aug 2004, 18:44

The real name of Perugia province is CASCIA.

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Re: A long list of unknown italian localities, help needed

Postby Gigizagani » 21 Aug 2004, 18:46

The real name is STRAMBINELLO (TORINO)


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Re: A long list of unknown italian localities, help needed

Postby Gigizagani » 21 Aug 2004, 18:53

PROBABLY CALENDASCO (Piacenza)
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Re: A long list of unknown italian localities, help needed

Postby ptimber » 22 Aug 2004, 03:46

Jureo is most likely LOREO, Near ROVIGO. This was submitted by Giacomo Ganza who sent me a personal e-mail and I wanted to give him credit. Peter
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Re: A long list of unknown italian localities, help needed

Postby Bottrop » 07 Sep 2004, 11:47

Many thanks for all the help we received by Posters in this forum.
There are a few locations left, which cannot be identified without further information we are still lacking.
If somebody is interested in italian immigrants to the Ruhr-Area in the years 1827 to 1920, please don't hesitate to contact me. Most of this italian people went back to Italy, some of them emigrated later to 'America', a few settled down in Bottrop.
For your convenience we installed a new e-mail address (please delete the spaces and underscores):
geschichte _@_ quadrat-bottrop.de
kindest regards
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Re: A long list of unknown italian localities, help needed

Postby suanj » 07 Sep 2004, 12:16

Argua - Pragenca ?= Arquà Petrarca ( Padova )?
Piaccuzo (npa) ?=Piacenza ?
Cejcomagion (npa)?=Cercemaggiore(Campobasso)?

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