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Genealogy Research

Postby deni1953 » 16 Jul 2011, 23:10

I am doing a search for info about my grandfather. I just received his naturalization papers which list his birthplace as Valle di Cadore. He was born Loui Carli Nov 24, 1898 and his mother's name was Maria. He immigrated to the US in 1919 coming on a ship named S.S. Columbo., at the age of 21. This is all the info we have about him and I would like to know how to go about expanding my search. Denise Bennett
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Re: Genealogy Research

Postby Italysearcher » 17 Jul 2011, 07:42

You need to request his birth record from the Comune di Valle di Cadore. There are form letters on line and the address can be obtained from a Google search for Comune di Valle di Cadore.
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Re: Genealogy Research

Postby deni1953 » 17 Jul 2011, 18:09

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Postby johnnyonthespot » 18 Jul 2011, 17:02

deni1953 wrote:I am doing a search for info about my grandfather. I just received his naturalization papers which list his birthplace as Valle di Cadore. He was born Loui Carli Nov 24, 1898 and his mother's name was Maria. He immigrated to the US in 1919 coming on a ship named S.S. Columbo., at the age of 21. This is all the info we have about him and I would like to know how to go about expanding my search. Denise Bennett


It seems to me that some of your info does not ring true:


New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Luigi Carli
Name: Luigi Carli
Arrival Date: 4 Sep 1920
Birth Year: abt 1899
Birth Location: Belluno
Birth Location Other: valle ca dodore
Age: 21
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian (North) (Italian)
Port of Departure: Genoa, Italy
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Duca D Aosta

Line 10 on this manifest:

Page 1: Image

Page 2: Image

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Re: Genealogy Research

Postby johnnyonthespot » 18 Jul 2011, 18:51

This is an interesting manifest... Seems like it should fit in with the other somehow.

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Maria Da Corte Carli
Name: Maria Da Corte Carli
Arrival Date: 28 May 1909
Birth Year: abt 1882
Birth Location: Belluno
Birth Location Other: valle di cadore
Age: 27
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian (North) (Italian)
Port of Departure: Genoa, Italy
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Batavia


Lines 1, 2, & 3:

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Re: Genealogy Research

Postby uantiti » 18 Jul 2011, 23:09

johnnyonthespot wrote:
deni1953 wrote:I am doing a search for info about my grandfather. I just received his naturalization papers which list his birthplace as Valle di Cadore. He was born Loui Carli Nov 24, 1898 and his mother's name was Maria. He immigrated to the US in 1919 coming on a ship named S.S. Columbo., at the age of 21. This is all the info we have about him and I would like to know how to go about expanding my search. Denise Bennett


It seems to me that some of your info does not ring true:


New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Luigi Carli
Name: Luigi Carli
Arrival Date: 4 Sep 1920
Birth Year: abt 1899
Birth Location: Belluno
Birth Location Other: valle ca dodore
Age: 21
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian (North) (Italian)
Port of Departure: Genoa, Italy
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Duca D Aosta

Line 10 on this manifest:

Page 1: Image

Page 2: Image

Click once to enlarge; click again for maximum magnification.


I found that manifest too. On page 2 Luigi declares that he had been in US in 1919. I couldn't find that 1919 manifest though.
Valle di Cadore is in the province of Belluno, Veneto region. If you want to request a birth act you can email here:

anagrafe@comune.valledicadore.bl.it

using a form letter:
http://www.circolocalabrese.org/resourc ... /index.asp


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Postby johnnyonthespot » 18 Jul 2011, 23:50

uantiti wrote:I found that manifest too. On page 2 Luigi declares that he had been in US in 1919. I couldn't find that 1919 manifest though.



I am not so sure that says 1919; looks more like 1913 to me.

But it raises the question - maybe he arrived in the US in 1902 with his mother, returned to Italy in 1913 (or whatever), and then back to the US in 1920.
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Re: Genealogy Research

Postby uantiti » 19 Jul 2011, 08:56

You are right Carmine, it looks 1913 :D . On that manifest Luigi also declared he was joining his uncle Rodolfo in Chicago, Ill. If this is the correct Luigi Carli it looks that his uncle Rodolfo Carli was married to Antonia Emilia Da Corte, same family name as Maria, mother to the two children ( Luigi and Vittorio) on that other 1909 ship manifest. Luigi's age doesn't match as he's 7 years old, so born 1901/1902 but often children's ages were wrong. There is also a 1905 ship manifest for Rodolfo and Angelo Carli and other information. Denise, is this Luigi Carli travelling in 1920 the one you are looking for?


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Re: Genealogy Research

Postby deni1953 » 02 Aug 2011, 21:16

Thank you for all the info. I just got back on today and had already found out most of this info. Ada, I do believe that this is my grandfather. And Carmine, yes he did leave and then return. It looks like his father Angelo came to the USA a few years before his wife and two sons, Luigi and Vittorio. After Maria arrived they had a daughter Maria. My Great-Grandfather(Angelo) died and they returned to Italy. I don't know if they all went back to Italy or not. Later my grandfather came back to the USA(Chicago)I think that when he returned he lied about his age:) Not sure, as I now have several dates of birth from 1898 to 1902. His papers also say that he was in the Italian artillery 1917-1919. Which may or may not be true. This has been quite an experience. It's just sad that my uncles and my grandmother are no longer living to see this! On the other hand, my mother is overjoyed to hear all about her father and his family. Thank you all so much for your help!!!!
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Re: Genealogy Research

Postby deni1953 » 05 Aug 2011, 23:15

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Can you tell me where you got Rodolfo Carli's wife's name. I can't find it on any of the manifest that I have.
I was also thinking both Angelgo's and Rodolfo's last name was Carli. Both Maria's and Emilia's last name was Da Conte. Would that mean that two brothers married sisters?

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Re: Genealogy Research

Postby johnnyonthespot » 05 Aug 2011, 23:29

deni1953 wrote:Would that mean that two brothers married sisters?


For what it is worth, such things did happen. My parents first met at the 1938 wedding of my father's elder brother and my mother's eldest sister. They married six years later, in 1944.

Thus, brothers sometimes did marry sisters. :)
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Re: Genealogy Research

Postby deni1953 » 06 Aug 2011, 03:16

I know that it is possible. It happens here too :P But I'm still trying find her name, for my own records.
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Postby Italysearcher » 06 Aug 2011, 08:59

In my own family 3 brothers married 3 sisters!
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Re: Genealogy Research

Postby uantiti » 06 Aug 2011, 15:26

deni1953 wrote:Ada
Can you tell me where you got Rodolfo Carli's wife's name. I can't find it on any of the manifest that I have.
I was also thinking both Angelgo's and Rodolfo's last name was Carli. Both Maria's and Emilia's last name was Da Conte. Would that mean that two brothers married sisters?

Thank you for all your help


I hope to remember where I found information and connections.
So, on Family Search website (which is free) https://www.familysearch.org/
if you type Rodolfo Carli, you will get, Rodolfo ship manifest for his arrival on Apr 5, 1905. Rodolfo seems to be joining a Da Corte in Kensisngton, Ill. (sorry I cannot post the manifest)
Then still on the same website, you can fins the following transcrption:

United States Census, 1930 for Rudolph Carli

Name: Rudolph Carli
Event: CENSUS
Event Date: 1930
Event Place: Chicago (Districts 251-500), Cook, Illinois
Gender: Male
Age: 51
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Birthplace: Italy
Estimated Birth Year: 1879
Immigration Year: 1905
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Enumeration District Number: 411
Family Number: 345
Sheet Number and Letter: 20B
Line Number: 79
NARA Publication: T626, roll 431
Film Number: 2340166
Digital Folder Number: 4584232
Image Number: 00705
Household Gender Age
Rudolph Carli M 51
Spouse Antonia Carli F 51
Child Louise Carli F 19
Child Bruno Carli M 9


Where you can see that his wife's name is Antonia.
Another transcription (Rodolfo's Death), is wife's name there is Antonia Emily and you also can see Rodolfo's parents names:

Illinois, Deaths and Stillbirths, 1916-1947 for Rudolph Carli

Name: Rudolph Carli
Titles and Terms (original):
Death Date: 03 Jan 1945
Death Place: Chicago, Cook Co., Illinois
Gender: Male
Marital Status:
Race or Color:
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: 1880
Birth Date: 25 Aug 1879
Birthplace: Valle De Cadore, Prov. Belluno, Italy
Father: Louis Carli
Father's Titles and Terms (original):
Father's Birth Place: Valle De Cadore, Prov. Belluno Italy
Mother: Luigia Galeazzi
Mother's Titles and Terms (original):
Mother's Birth Place: Valle De Cadore, Prov. Belluno, Italy
Occupation: Construction
Residence: Chi
Street Address:
Spouse: Antonia Emily
Spouse's Titles and Terms (original):
Spouse's Birthplace:
Burial Date: 06 Jan 1945
Burial Place: Worth Twp. Cook, Illinois
Cemetery: Holy Sepulchre
Informant:
Additional Relatives:
Digital Folder Number: 4159057
Image Number: 311
Film Number: 1983257
Volume/Page/Certificate Number: rn 292




Then you'll find their children's birth:

Illinois, Cook County Birth Certificates, 1878-1922 for Rudolpho Carli

Name: Luigi Carli
Birth Date: 06 Jan 1911
Birthplace: Kensington
Gender: Male
Race: White
Father's Name: Rudolpho Carli
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age: 31
Mother's Name: Emilia Dacarte
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age: 31
Christening Date:
Christening Place:
Paternal Grandfather:
Paternal Grandmother:
Maternal Grandfather:
Maternal Grandmother:
Additional Relatives:
Death Date:
Death Age:
Film Number: 1288208
Digital Folder Number: 4298168
Image Number: 00803
Reference Number: 2153


and

Illinois, Cook County Birth Certificates, 1878-1922 for Rudolph Carli

Name: Bruno Carli
Birth Date: 27 Aug 1920
Birthplace: Chicago
Gender: Male
Race:
Father's Name: Rudolph Carli
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age: 41
Mother's Name: Antonia Dacorte
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age: 41
Christening Date:
Christening Place:
Paternal Grandfather:
Paternal Grandmother:
Maternal Grandfather:
Maternal Grandmother:
Additional Relatives:
Death Date:
Death Age:
Film Number: 1309411
Digital Folder Number: 4440921
Image Number: 00576
Reference Number: 31970


You can see that Rodolfo's wife is once Antonia Emily, then only Antonia then only Emily but I believe she's the same person: Antonia Emilia Da Corte. By the way the family name is DA CORTE not Da Conte but I assume transcribers could easily mispell.
I think I found more when I searched, probably Antonia's ship manifest. I'll have to see but I'm having some problems with my laptop today (the screen keeps on getting dark. Time for a new one?). May be other members can give a hand while I'm trying to see if I can fix it. Sorry :(

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Re: Genealogy Research

Postby adelfio » 06 Aug 2011, 18:29

Heres is the ship manifest for Rodolfo line#21
http://postimage.org/image/2vzoffqck/

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