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Place of birth???

Postby DonnaPellegrin » 24 Apr 2005, 21:12

I have pasted into this post part of the death certificate for a certain man named Giuseppe DeBartolo. He died in Caccuri, Calabria in 1882. He may be the relative of my great-grandfather, Vincenzo DeBartolo who's name also appears on the document.

I am having difficulty reading the place of birth of Giuseppe DeBartolo. It is on the last line. It looks like "Montelaom," but I can find no such town in Calabria.

Also, Giuseppe DeBartolo's profession is written immediately after his age, anni sessantanove, ???????. Can anyone read what his profession was? I know that in 1862 he was working for the Sindaco, signing civil records, but I cannot read the profession written on this death certificate.

Any input would be welcome and appreciated!
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Re: Place of birth???

Postby suanj » 24 Apr 2005, 21:27

Dear Donna,
for better help, was necessary all document page, but the sessantanove(69) is age, and I read that he domicilied in Caccuri(so no resident) and the town is Monteleone, and I think that was Monteleone Calabro (but no sure 100% percent) currently (from 1927) Vibo Valentia called.. best regards, suanj
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Re: Place of birth???

Postby suanj » 24 Apr 2005, 21:31

about the profession, I cannot read, not are.. are only an word: civile, meaning civil, so just meaning no farmer, no militar, no priest etc... is an general word...suanj
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Re: Place of birth???

Postby DonnaPellegrin » 25 Apr 2005, 02:28

Infinite thanks to you my friend, suanj! You just saved me from years of fruitless searches. I never would have known that Monteleone was now known as Vibo Valentia. This is certainly the right city. There are still DeBartolo families residing near there today.

I do not know why my website will not allow me to include the entire document. Perhaps it is too large. I have made several attempts. I can only seem to post part of the document. I have written the text below. The word in red continues to elude me. I believe it is the profession of Giuseppe DeBartolo. Still, you have helped me with the most critical issue. I believe I now know his city of birth! And again, suanj, I am in your debt. :D


Uffiziale dello Stato Civile del Comune di Caccuri, sono comparsi
Bartolo Vincenzo, di anni trentanove, Capo cantonieri domiciliato
in Caccuri, e Mastucci Giovanni, di anni cinquantanove
civile, domiciliato in Caccuri, quali mi hanno dichiarato che a
ore po meridiane sette e minuti due di avantino nella casa posta in
Salita Municipio al numero _____ , è morto Bartolo Giuseppe,
di anni sessantanove, ?av?ptaio, residente in Caccuri, nato
in Monteleone, da fu Francesco Antonio, domiciliato
in ________________, e da Longo Costanza defunta,
domiciliata in ________________, vedova di Dardani Maria Giuseppa.
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Re: Place of birth???

Postby suanj » 25 Apr 2005, 14:28

DonnaPellegrin wrote:Infinite thanks to you my friend, suanj! You just saved me from years of fruitless searches. I never would have known that Monteleone was now known as Vibo Valentia. This is certainly the right city. There are still DeBartolo families residing near there today.

I do not know why my website will not allow me to include the entire document. Perhaps it is too large. I have made several attempts. I can only seem to post part of the document. I have written the text below. The word in red continues to elude me. I believe it is the profession of Giuseppe DeBartolo. Still, you have helped me with the most critical issue. I believe I now know his city of birth! And again, suanj, I am in your debt. :D


Uffiziale dello Stato Civile del Comune di Caccuri, sono comparsi
Bartolo Vincenzo, di anni trentanove, Capo cantonieri domiciliato
in Caccuri, e Mastucci Giovanni, di anni cinquantanove
civile, domiciliato in Caccuri, quali mi hanno dichiarato che a
ore po meridiane sette e minuti due di avantino nella casa posta in
Salita Municipio al numero _____ , è morto Bartolo Giuseppe,
di anni sessantanove, ?av?ptaio, residente in Caccuri, nato
in Monteleone, da fu Francesco Antonio, domiciliato
in ________________, e da Longo Costanza defunta,
domiciliata in ________________, vedova di Dardani Maria Giuseppa.

Hi Donna, I read (seems) "domestico"=Servant..
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Re: Place of birth???

Postby Marco » 26 Apr 2005, 20:20

I read "domestico" which means "servant". Is that possible?
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Re: Place of birth???

Postby suanj » 26 Apr 2005, 22:56

Marco wrote:I read "domestico" which means "servant". Is that possible?
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Ciao Marco, really I read Domestico....ciao suanj
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Re: Place of birth???

Postby DonnaPellegrin » 27 Apr 2005, 06:54

Wow, domestico. I can see it now. I was way off! Thanks again, suanj and thank you Marco.
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Re: Place of birth???

Postby VaDeb » 27 Apr 2005, 07:09

HI Donna,
Dosen't it always look so obvious after someone tells us what it says?

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Re: Place of birth???

Postby DonnaPellegrin » 27 Apr 2005, 07:17

Oh yeah, absolutely. I always walk away from this board with a bit more humility! Domestico, of course, domestico. The man was a servant. Laughing Out Loud!
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