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Italian Province

Postby Jean Galata » 14 Aug 2014, 23:15

Does anyone know which Province in Italy S. Gregono is located? I would appreciate any help in locating where this town can be found.
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Re: Italian Province

Postby erudita74 » 14 Aug 2014, 23:37

Jean Galata wrote:Does anyone know which Province in Italy S. Gregono is located? I would appreciate any help in locating where this town can be found.
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There are a number of towns, in different provinces, with San Gregorio in their names. See the link below. What surnames are you researching?

http://www.italyworldclub.com/italian-c ... g-sanm.htm

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Re: Italian Province

Postby Jean Galata » 15 Aug 2014, 21:06

Is S. Gregono another way of saying San Gregorio?
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Re: Italian Province

Postby johnnyonthespot » 15 Aug 2014, 21:45

It would help if we knew where you got the name from and, if possible, posted the document or a link to it.

There is no known place in Italy today with "gregono" in its name. No comune (city/town), no frazione (small hamlet or village belonging to a larger city/town) and no province.

A listing of Italian names which begin with G can be found here http://www.nomix.it/nomi-italiani-lettera-G.php

I found this webpage which mentions S. Gregono ("http://www.houseofnames.com/luca-family-crest") http://www.houseofnames.com/luca-family-crest I don't suppose this is your source?
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Re: Italian Province

Postby johnnyonthespot » 15 Aug 2014, 22:01

The Google translator considers Gregono to be the Latin form of Gregory. https://translate.google.com/#la/en/gregono

Also, at the Ellis Island site I found a number of passengers arriving from "S. Gregono M." on a single manifest. Unfortunately, the link to the actual manifest page appears to be incorrect, so I cannot view the actual handwritten document. If anyone else wants to try, start here: http://www.ellisisland.org/search/viewT ... 2446060838

Presuming that the "M." indicates an abbreviation for the final word, today there are two comuni:

San Gregorio Magno in the province of Salerno

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San Gregorio Matese in the province of Caserta

Unfortunately, both of these places are quite close to Naples, the point of departure for the ship: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/San+Gre ... 854011!3e0


Not sure how much this helps. :(
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Re: Italian Province

Postby johnnyonthespot » 15 Aug 2014, 22:08

Okay, here is the above referenced manifest at ancestry.com: http://interactive.ancestry.com/7488/NY ... rchResults

Looks like S. Gregorio M. to me (Italians are sticklers about dotting their i's; when you see a dot, you can bet that there is an i nearby):

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Re: Italian Province

Postby Jean Galata » 16 Aug 2014, 04:30

I got this from an original ship manifest on Ellis Island. There was was no i and no dot. it was written as S. Gregono for more than one passenger on the page. I'm sure the S. means Saint, but I can't find Gregono anywhere. It must be a form of Gregorio. I, too, have found most of my own. However, I am trying to help a friend who is looking form the Frunzi family from S. Gregono.
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Re: Italian Province

Postby erudita74 » 16 Aug 2014, 04:35

Jean Galata wrote:I got this from an original ship manifest on Ellis Island. There was was no i and no dot. it was written as S. Gregono for more than one passenger on the page. I'm sure the S. means Saint, but I can't find Gregono anywhere. It must be a form of Gregorio. I, too, have found most of my own. However, I am trying to help a friend who is looking form the Frunzi family from S. Gregono.
Thank you for your input.



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If the surname is Frunzi, then it would be San Gregorio Magno in Salerno Province.
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Re: Italian Province

Postby Jean Galata » 16 Aug 2014, 04:43

Mille Grazie!!!! Thank you so very much. I can't wait to give this info to my friend.
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Re: Italian Province

Postby erudita74 » 16 Aug 2014, 04:49

Jean Galata wrote:Mille Grazie!!!! Thank you so very much. I can't wait to give this info to my friend.
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You're very welcome, Jean.
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Re: Italian Province

Postby Jean Galata » 17 Aug 2014, 03:24

Erudita, how did having the surname Frunzi help you to know the exact town and province?
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Re: Italian Province

Postby erudita74 » 17 Aug 2014, 13:03

Jean Galata wrote:Erudita, how did having the surname Frunzi help you to know the exact town and province?
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Hi Jean
My mother-in-law's parents were from the town of San Gregorio Matese (formerly known as San Gregorio d'Alife). That town is in Caserta Province. I spent years researching the town's state civil records from the early 1800s to the more recent records, so I knew off the top of my head that the surname Frunzi did not exist there.

Then I looked at some other websites-
http://www.avitrees.com/welcome.jsp
This website above was comprised from immigration records, as far as I know. So, if you search the surname there, you get only one town name and that is San Gregorio Magno. Now, of course, it's possible that the surname existed in other towns but that people did not immigrate to the U.S. from those other towns who had that surname.

I also checked the current Italian white pages
http://www.paginebianche.it/ricerca?l=en&qs=frunzi&dv=
The surname exists in the Naples area currently but only one entry has San Gregorio in its town title and that is San Gregorio Magno

The following website will only give you the distribution of the surname throughout Italy and not a specific town-although it says the name is found in 9 towns.
http://www.paginebianche.it/ricerca?l=en&qs=frunzi&dv=

Anyway, I'm very confident that San Gregorio Magno is the town name referred to on the passenger list.

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Re: Italian Province

Postby Jean Galata » 17 Aug 2014, 21:51

Wow! I didn't mean to put you through all that trouble, but my friend and I really appreciate it.
Again, MILLE GRAZIE!!
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Re: Italian Province

Postby erudita74 » 17 Aug 2014, 22:06

Jean Galata wrote:Wow! I didn't mean to put you through all that trouble, but my friend and I really appreciate it.
Again, MILLE GRAZIE!!
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It was no trouble. Happy to help you and your friend.
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