Need a little help

[suanj]

well my father finally answered my e-mail...too bad it took a very nasty e-mail for him to respond....

my great grandfather's name was Fred Noce, he died in Zanesville Ohio.

thats all the info i have other than the marriage certificate.

Hi paison: so the name is Fred NOCE and no Eduardo NOCE; well Fred is Ferdinando in italian..

Name: Fred Noce
SSN: 278-18-3393
Last Residence: Ohio
Born: 30 Jun 1902
Died: Oct 1964
State (Year) SSN issued: Ohio (Before 1951


more an newspaper article of Halloween party of 1929 Fred and Ell Noce: http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/3732 ... art5re.jpg
and Fred seems that coming from Cleveland, Ell from Zanesville; this is an good info...
regards, suanj

[Paison_73]

so how would i go about finding Fred's parents names?

[suanj]

so how would i go about finding Fred's parents names?

easy: you search better in Zanesville and back in the time....suanj

[VaDeb]

"How would I go about finding Fred's parents names?"

Using the information from the Social Security administration, write to Ohio for his death certificate. Have you tried to find the death record on Ancestry.com. There are Ohio records available (my subscription has expired so I cant look for you).

Do you have a copy of you parents marriage record? You seem to have alot of unknown and missing information. I realize you have trouble with your father from previous posts. Skip him. Get your parents marriage license (maybe your mom has a copy?) and start following the paper trail backwards.

[brujaojos]

so how would i go about finding Fred's parents names?

Hi There,

Everyone gave you good clues. What you need to do is order the death certificate from Ohio. Ohio's fees just went up to $16.50 for a certificate.

Here is a link to show you where you can write for one. I suggest that you personally write and don't order it through the internet for they price could be triple the amount. So write directly to Ohio.

Here is the link
http://www.odh.state.oh.us/vitalstatist ... stats.aspx

Now the Death Certificate could list the parents' names on it or as VaDeb suggested, you can send away for the Social Security Application. The SS Application could have tons of clues on it. They cost $27.00.

Here is a letter for you

Social Security Administration
Office of Earnings Operations
FOIA Workgroup
300 N. Greene Street
P.O. Box 33022
Baltimore, Maryland 21290
Re: Freedom of Information Act Request

Dear Freedom of Information Officer,

I am writing this request under the Freedom of Information Act, 5 U.S.C. Section 552. I hereby request a copy of the SS-5, Application for Social Security Card, for the following individual:

Noce, Fred
278-18-3393
Birth: 30 Jun 1902
Death: Oct 1964

This individual is deceased, having been listed in the Social Security Administration's Death Master File. I understand the fee for this service is $27 for copy of original SS-5 application when the Social Security Number is provided. I am requesting a SS-5 copy. Included is a check for $27.00 made out to the Social Security Administration to cover any administrative costs required by this request.

Please respond to my request upon receipt of this initial correspondence. Thank you for your attention and assistance.

Sincerely,

[Paison_73]

......to be continued.

been a while and still haven't found anything new, i took a long break to take care of some other things, but im starting up again.

[jcsm400]

No parent information on Fred's death certificate nor on his SS application?

[wldspirit]

I pulled up three articles on "Fred Noce" of Zanesville, Ohio..........since image shack is being a pain in the you know what.... .......I've typed them out exactly as they appeared.........lots of good info in these, including parents names......hoping he is yours!!!!!

Times Recorder, Zanesville, Ohio - Thursday Oct. 22, 1964

Fred W. Noce, 62, of Roseville route 2, who died Tuesday, will be held at William Thompson & Son funeral home at White Cottage at 2p.m. Friday with Rev. William T. Metz officiating.

Mr. Noce was born June 2, 1902, in Perry County, a son of George and Amanda Rutter Noce. He was a retired steel construction worker and a member of Steelworkers Union. Mr. Noce was a member of White Cottage Methodist Church.

Surviving are two sons, Wayne Noce of Madison. Wisconsin and Donald Noce of El Segundo, California: a sister, Mrs. Jessie Lewis of Findlay Ave., four brothers, Eli Noce of 2150 Norwood Blvd., Harry Noce of New Lexington, Floyd Noce of Shelby St. and Andrew Noce of Zanesville Route 2.

Three sisters and two brothers are deceased.

Friends may call at the funeral home 6-9 p.m. today.

*note - will wait for your confirmation before typing out the other two........

[brujaojos]

Hi There,

The rule of thumb with genealogy is to start with yourself and work your way backwards. We should start with your father and work backwards. I was getting a little confused with the Eduardo and Fred story, but I'll start with.....

If your grandfather's name was Fred born in 1902 in Ohio, then here is the information on Fred.

Here he is in the 1920 Census with his parents George (b. 1861 West Virginia) and Amanda (b. 1865 in Ohio )and his brothers, Flyod and Andrew. And there is a Harry Noce (b. abt 1896) also living on the same block in this census.

Name: Fred Noce
Age: 17 years
Estimated birth year: abt 1903
Birthplace: Ohio
Race: White
Home in 1920: Clayton, Perry, Ohio
Sex: Male
Marital status: Single
Relation to Head of House: Son
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Mother's Birth Place: Ohio
Father's Birth Place: Ohio
Image: 436
Image Source: Year: 1920; Census Place: Clayton, Perry, Ohio; Roll: T625_1426; Page: 1A; Enumeration District: 59; Image: 436

Here is the family in the 1910 Cesus. Per this census, George and Amanda were married about 1885 and had 7 children.

Name: George W Noce
Age in 1910: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Birthplace: West Virginia
Home in 1910: Clayton Twp, Perry, Ohio
Neighbors: View Results
Race: White
Gender: Male
Image Source: Year: 1910; Census Place: Clayton Twp, Perry, Ohio; Series: T624; Roll: 1222; Page: 29A; Enumeration District: 122; Part: 2; Line: 9

Here is the family in the 1900 Cenus.
Name: George W Noce
Home in 1900: Clayton, Perry, Ohio
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Birthplace: West Virginia
Race: White
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Image source: Year: 1900; Census Place: Clayton, Perry, Ohio; Roll: T623 1313; Page: 12A; Enumeration District: 57

Each census has clues especially the 1900 for it lists month and year born.

However, we need proof as to who your father's parents are and who the grandparents are.

Smile for me!:)
Trish

[brujaojos]

Hi again,

I found this on the Ancestry.com World Tree. It was posted by Dawn. If you private message me, I'll give you her email address. I don't like just posting someone's email address without permission.

Name: George Noce
Sex: M
Birth: 9 APR 1860 in Taylor Co., VA 1
Death: 30 JAN 1937 in OH

Note:
Based on information from Virginia Nose Marshall, George was born George Washington Nose, in Taylor Co. VA. When he moved to Perry Co., OH, he changed the spelling of his last name to Noce, and all of his
descendents used that pelling.

Information from 1900 and 1910 Census (Clayton Twp., Perry Co., OH)
shows that George and his parents were born in West Virginia.

Information per obituaries at John McIntire Public Library in
Zanesville, OH


Father: Andrew W. Nose
Mother: Selah Celestial Snider

Marriage 1 Amanda Rutter b: 1866 in Perry Co., OH
Married: 1885

Children
Jessie M. Noce b: JUL 1885 in OH
Morrison E. Noce b: SEP 1886 in OH
Harriet Noce b: OCT 1887 in OH
Henry M. Stanley Noce b: 25 APR 1890 in OH
Harrison M. Noce b: 5 FEB 1892 in OH
Samuel Eli Noce b: 5 FEB 1893 in OH
Alice D. Noce b: JAN 1898 in OH
Daisy F. Noce b: APR 1899 in OH
Fred Noce b: 2 JUN 1902
Floyd E. Noce b: 1906 in OH
Columbus A. Noce b: 1908 in OH

Sources:
Title: Information from VNM notes.
Author: Virginia Nose Marshall; roseair@texas.net
Repository:
Note:
Call Number:
Media: Book

Smile for me!:)
Trish

[nuccia]

Here are links to view the images Trish has posted about:

1920 census link for Fred Noce:

http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/3408/imagex7iu.gif

1920 census for George:

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8431/imagex7ns.gif

1900 cnesus for George:

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/6632 ... rge4zt.gif

Hope this helps for now.

Nuccia