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Help with 2 Great Grandparents.Non-Italian Side of My Family

Postby jgenduso » 08 Dec 2009, 18:26

Hi Everyone,

I am in the midst of all my work with my Italian side of my family. I thought I'd take a break from transcribing 19th century Italian by working the other side of the family.

I could use some help finding any information for 2 Great Grandparents.

My grandmother was named Katherine Marion. Acoording to my research she was born in NYC, 20 Sep 1901. She was married to Walter Andrew Porzelt and died in Nov 1982 in Bergen County, NJ.

According to her SS-5 her parent's names were: Walter Marion and Sara A Moss. The wierd thing is that I can't find any US records for either of these folks.

Maybe it was to late and I was getting to tired but there wasn't anything in the census records I could find or anywhere else.

Any help would be appreciated. Any place to look would also.

Thank you in advance,

Joseph
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Re: Help with 2 Great Grandparents.Non-Italian Side of My Fa

Postby PeterTimber » 08 Dec 2009, 18:37

walter A. Porzelt was born 9/13/1893 in Manhattan, NYC....Go to www.familysearch.org and look under ancestor search for his spouse katherina Marion as well. =Peter=
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Re: Help with 2 Great Grandparents.Non-Italian Side of My Fa

Postby pink67 » 08 Dec 2009, 18:49

Possible 1910 census for Katherine living with her mother Sara?

1910 United States Federal Census
about Kathrine Maud
Name: Kathrine Maud
[Kathrine Marion]
Age in 1910: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1904
Birthplace: New York
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Father's Birth Place: New York
Mother's Name: Dorah A
Mother's Birth Place: New York
Home in 1910: Jersey City Ward 11, Hudson, New Jersey
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Female
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Dorah A Maud Sarah A - 36 head, female, widow, born in NY, father born in Ireland, mother born in NY
Vincent J Maud 19 son, born in NY
Mary Maud Sr. 15 daughter, born in NY
Ambrose A Maud 13 son, born in NY
Walter B Maud 11 Lester? son, born in NY
Kathrine Maud 6 daughter, born in NY
C A Mells 40

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Re: Help with 2 Great Grandparents.Non-Italian Side of My Fa

Postby jgenduso » 08 Dec 2009, 18:49

Sorry Peter - I should have been more clear...my apologies.

I am looking for any info on Walter Marion or Sarah A Moss.

I have a ton of info on the Porzelt side and some good info of Katherine herself (from research), but that's where the trail stops, with her parents.

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Re: Help with 2 Great Grandparents.Non-Italian Side of My Fa

Postby jgenduso » 08 Dec 2009, 18:53

I have Katherine...

1920 census boarding with the Porzelt family and her future husbanc Walter, in West Hoboken NJ

1930 Census living with her husband Walter in Union City, NJ

Can't find her in the 1910 census where should would be ~9 yrs old.

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Re: Help with 2 Great Grandparents.Non-Italian Side of My Fa

Postby jgenduso » 08 Dec 2009, 18:54

Thank you pink - reviewing that right now :)
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Re: Help with 2 Great Grandparents.Non-Italian Side of My Fa

Postby pink67 » 08 Dec 2009, 19:08

You're welcome Joseph! :D

I was noticing that a Catherine's possible brother on the 1910 census manifest was Lester Marion ...
on this database on Ancestry.com:
New York City Births, 1891-1902

found this record:
Name Lester B. Marion
Birth Date 19 Aug 1897
Certificate Number 37003

Maybe it could be helful order this birth certificate to see the real names of the parents?

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Re: Help with 2 Great Grandparents.Non-Italian Side of My Fa

Postby pink67 » 08 Dec 2009, 19:23

It's mispelled but I believe this is the correct 1900 census for Catherine's family in NYC:

1900 United States Federal Census
about Walter Mauylan
Name: Walter Mauylan
[Walter Marrinan]
[Walter Marrylan]
[Walter Marsylan]
Home in 1900: Manhattan, New York, New York
Age: 34
Birth Date: Nov 1865
Birthplace: New York
Race: White
Ethnicity: American
Gender: Male
Relationship to Head of House: Head
Father's Birthplace: Ireland
Mother's Name: Rose
Mother's Birthplace: Ireland
Spouse's name: Sarah
Marriage Year: 1890
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 10
Residence : New York City, New York, New York
Occupation: View on Image
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Household Members: Name Age
Walter Mauylan 34 head, born in NY, marrid since 10 years
Sarah Mauylan 28 wife, born in NY, married since 10 years, 6 child,
Vicent Mauylan 9 son, born on september 1890
Walter Mauylan 7 son, born on Febraury 1893
Mary Mauylan 5 daughter, born on September 1894
Moss Rose Mauylan 4 daughter, born in july 1895
Lester Mauylan 2 son, born on august 1897 :!:
Howard Mauylan 7/12 son, born on november 1899
Rose Moss 63 mother in law, born on August 1836 in NY,
Peter A Moss 33 brother (in law), born in NY
Rose M Moss 23 sister (in law) born in NY
Catherine Clark 50 servant
James Fear 24 boarder
Edward Todd 26 boarder
Eddington 25 boarder

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[img=http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/7692/marion1900.th.jpg]

image page 2:
[img=http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6592/marion1900page2.th.jpg]

maybe the original lastname wsn't Marion... looks like Marrylan??

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Re: Help with 2 Great Grandparents.Non-Italian Side of My Fa

Postby pink67 » 08 Dec 2009, 19:48

Possible 1880 census for Sarah Moss and her family in Manahattan:

1880 United States Federal Census
about Andrew Moss
Name: Andrew Moss
Home in 1880: New York (Manhattan), New York City-Greater, New York
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Birthplace: Ireland
Relation to Head of Household: Self (Head)
Spouse's name: Rose
Father's birthplace: Ireland
Mother's birthplace: Ireland

Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Works In Gas House
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Cannot read/write:
Blind:
Deaf and dumb:
Otherwise disabled:
Idiotic or insane: View image
Household Members: Name Age
Andrew Moss 50 head
Rose Moss 47 wife
Arthur Moss 28 son
Francis Moss 26 son
Peter Moss 19 son
Sarah Moss 16 daughter :!:
Ellen Moss 13 daughter
Rose Moss 10 daughter

[img=http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/1776/moss1880.th.jpg]

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Re: Help with 2 Great Grandparents.Non-Italian Side of My Fa

Postby vj » 08 Dec 2009, 20:25

pink67 wrote:... maybe the original lastname wsn't Marion... looks like Marrylan?? ... Laura


Great records and good catch :D !
Here's another spelling for Marion
Perhaps the grandfather's name was Joseph???
Valarie

possible 1918 WWI Draft Registration Card
Lester Joseph Marrian
19 Aug 1898
residence:
Jersey City, Hudson, NJ
driver for Vince J Marrian

1917 WWI Card
Vincent Joseph Marrian
7 Sep 1890 in NYC
residence Jesresy City, Hudson, NJ
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Son Walter from Laura's :D 1900 census find?

Surname Given Name Age Month Day Year Certificate Number County Born
Marrian Walter W 11 y June 6 1903 17501 (1903) Manhattan 1891 - 1892
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If you haven’t used these already, they may help you locate New York City records:

Dr Steve Morse One Step Search Pages for New York:

NY Naturalization
NYC Birth Records (1901-1907)
NYC Birth Records 1891-1902 (requires ancestry. com subscription)
NYC Groom Index 1864-1936
NYC Bride Index ????-1937
NYC Death Records 1891-1948

Ordering NYC Vital Records
New York City Archives

from NYC records by the Italian Genealogical Group
http://www.italiangen.org/

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Re: Help with 2 Great Grandparents.Non-Italian Side of My Fa

Postby jgenduso » 08 Dec 2009, 21:30

Thank you very much pink - This takes me over the bump I had in my research. I very much appreciate it.

Thanks vj - I'll follow that trail as well.

Great help!!!!

Joseph
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Re: Help with 2 Great Grandparents.Non-Italian Side of My Fa

Postby pink67 » 09 Dec 2009, 08:06

You're welcome Joseph.... :D
Want to show you this 1880 census... maybe it was for Walter Marrian/Marrian/Marrylan and his parents??

1880 United States Federal Census
about Martin Mariman
Name: Martin Mariman
Home in 1880: New York (Manhattan), New York City-Greater, New York
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Birthplace: Ireland
Relation to Head of Household: Self (Head)
Spouse's name: Catharine
Father's birthplace: Ireland
Mother's birthplace: Ireland
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Baker
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane: View image
Household Members: Name Age
Martin Mariman 44 head, born in Ireland, baker
Catharine Mariman 39 wife, born in Ireland
Walter Mariman 15 son, born in NY
Emily Mariman 11 daughter, born in NY
Francis McPike 40 boarder
Joseph Nolan 15 boarder

:?:

possible 1870 census??

1870 United States Federal Census
about Walter Merman
Name: Walter Merman
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Age in 1870: 5
Birthplace: New York
Home in 1870: New York Ward 14 District 3 (2nd Enum), New York, New York
Race: White
Gender: Male
Value of real estate: View image
Post Office: New York City
Household Members: Name Age
Walter Merman 5

he's listed on the family, living with her father Martin, mother (can't decipher the first name) and sister Emily... :!:

maybe the correct lastname was Merriman....

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Re: Help with 2 Great Grandparents.Non-Italian Side of My Fa

Postby jross » 27 Jan 2015, 21:45

Hi Joseph,
I am hoping that this site will notify you if I post a reply at this late date. I believe that your grandmother is my husband's great aunt. I have some information on the family and would love to compare notes with you on this elusive family.

Judy


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