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Trip to Italy - Looking for a tour guide / genealogist

Postby JosephB » 27 Jun 2010, 06:09

Hi,

Some of my cousins ad I are planning a trip to Italy and we would like to spend some time either researching our family history or visiting sites that are relevant to our family's history. Our family is from the tows of Potenza and Isca Sullo Ionio.

I have a limited amount of information that I can provide (names, approximate birth dates, etc).

I have several questions:
1) What is the best way to find a reputable guide / genealogist?
2) How can I verify that the person is reputable?
3) What the the typical payment terms?
4) What would be an appropriate rate?
5) How would such work be billed?
6) Is it appropriate to provide a "tip" for good work or would it be considered insulting?
7) What would be an appropriate length of time in each area to visit family sites?


Where might be a good "base of operations" to stay to allow visits to both areas? We would also like to spend some time on the Amalfi coast as well.
Best Wishes,
Joe
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Re: Trip to Italy - Looking for a tour guide / genealogist

Postby Squigy » 27 Jun 2010, 16:04

JosephB wrote:Hi,

Some of my cousins ad I are planning a trip to Italy and we would like to spend some time either researching our family history or visiting sites that are relevant to our family's history. Our family is from the tows of Potenza and Isca Sullo Ionio.

I have a limited amount of information that I can provide (names, approximate birth dates, etc).

I have several questions:
1) What is the best way to find a reputable guide / genealogist?
2) How can I verify that the person is reputable?
3) What the the typical payment terms?
4) What would be an appropriate rate?
5) How would such work be billed?
6) Is it appropriate to provide a "tip" for good work or would it be considered insulting?
7) What would be an appropriate length of time in each area to visit family sites?


Where might be a good "base of operations" to stay to allow visits to both areas? We would also like to spend some time on the Amalfi coast as well.


Ancestry.com recently made a great deal of records for Potenza available online. So, if you're interested in researching your family history, if you give us some names/approx. dates we may be able to help you.
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Re: Trip to Italy - Looking for a tour guide / genealogist

Postby JosephB » 27 Jun 2010, 16:48

Hi,

My G-G-Father was John Angiolillio b1854 - d1952 (the name was changed to Angelo when he moved to America)
He was married to Maria Felicia Botanza b. 1859 - d. 1929
He had a brother named Girard Angiollilio b.1856 - d 1902

Their parents were
Frank Angiolillio and Elizabeth Angiolillio

Girard and John immigrated first with their families. They then brought over their parents. They initially settled in the Hazelton, PA area, but they have families in Northumberland County PA. John and Maria Felicia are buried in Marion Heights Cemetery in Marion Heights, PA.

Hope this helps.
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Joe
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Re: Trip to Italy - Looking for a tour guide / genealogist

Postby Squigy » 27 Jun 2010, 17:13

JosephB wrote:Hi,

My G-G-Father was John Angiolillio b1854 - d1952 (the name was changed to Angelo when he moved to America)
He was married to Maria Felicia Botanza b. 1859 - d. 1929
He had a brother named Girard Angiollilio b.1856 - d 1902

Their parents were
Frank Angiolillio and Elizabeth Angiolillio

Girard and John immigrated first with their families. They then brought over their parents. They initially settled in the Hazelton, PA area, but they have families in Northumberland County PA. John and Maria Felicia are buried in Marion Heights Cemetery in Marion Heights, PA.

Hope this helps.


Joseph,

Unfortunately, birth records only go up to 1865. Were they married in Italy? If so, do you know the year?
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Re: Trip to Italy - Looking for a tour guide / genealogist

Postby JosephB » 27 Jun 2010, 19:39

Squigy wrote:
JosephB wrote:Hi,

My G-G-Father was John Angiolillio b1854 - d1952 (the name was changed to Angelo when he moved to America)
He was married to Maria Felicia Botanza b. 1859 - d. 1929
He had a brother named Girard Angiollilio b.1856 - d 1902

Their parents were
Frank Angiolillio and Elizabeth Angiolillio

Girard and John immigrated first with their families. They then brought over their parents. They initially settled in the Hazelton, PA area, but they have families in Northumberland County PA. John and Maria Felicia are buried in Marion Heights Cemetery in Marion Heights, PA.

Hope this helps.


Joseph,

Unfortunately, birth records only go up to 1865. Were they married in Italy? If so, do you know the year?
I'm not sure when or where the were married. I do know that all their children were born in the US. I would estimate that the got married prior to 1890.
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Joe
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Re: Trip to Italy - Looking for a tour guide / genealogist

Postby PeterTimber » 01 Jul 2010, 12:27

Joseph B don't you have relatives in italy in that specific town of ISCA SULLO IONIO All you need is a cousin and you can all go to the beach!!!!
Your not going to the moon your going to a place where your going to see people who look like yhour aunts and uncles.

Get back to me when you recover from the shock of knowing that your really intelligent and going to a place where english is mandatory in the schools.
ISCA SULLO IONICO www.tuttitalia.it/calabria/68-isca-sullo-ionio

Telephone directory for ISCA is www.paginebianche.it. Put in family name in left side and Isca sullo ionio on the right side and click CERCA for any relatives with the same last name. =Peter=
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Re: Trip to Italy - Looking for a tour guide / genealogist

Postby PeterTimber » 01 Jul 2010, 12:42

There are 44 ANGIOLILLO in the entire province of Potenza so when going to www.paginebianche.it put in PZ for the entire province of Potenza on the right side. There are no Angiolillo in Isca Sullo Ionio.

Of course when you say yhour family comes from Potenza do you mean the CITY of Potenza or did the family come from some town or village in the PROVINCE OF POTENZA??????? =Peter=
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Re: Trip to Italy - Looking for a tour guide / genealogist

Postby pink67 » 01 Jul 2010, 13:34

JosephB wrote:Hi,

My G-G-Father was John Angiolillio b1854 - d1952 (the name was changed to Angelo when he moved to America)
He was married to Maria Felicia Botanza b. 1859 - d. 1929
He had a brother named Girard Angiollilio b.1856 - d 1902

Their parents were
Frank Angiolillio and Elizabeth Angiolillio

Girard and John immigrated first with their families. They then brought over their parents. They initially settled in the Hazelton, PA area, but they have families in Northumberland County PA. John and Maria Felicia are buried in Marion Heights Cemetery in Marion Heights, PA.

Hope this helps.


I'm not sure when or where the were married. I do know that all their children were born in the US. I would estimate that the got married prior to 1890.


Joseph,
What about this 1900 census?

1900 United States Federal Census
about John Angaline
Name: John Angaline
[John Augaline]
Home in 1900: Mount Carmel, Northumberland, Pennsylvania
Age: 41
Birth Date: Jan 1859
Birthplace: Italy
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1890
Relationship to Head of House: Head
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Spouse's name: Regina
Marriage Year: 1882
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 18
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Angaline 41 head, born in IT on Jan 1859, immigr. year 1890, alien
Regina Angaline 40 wife, born in IT on may 1860, married since 18 yeras, mother of 9 chidlren among whom only 6 living, immigr. year 1895
Joseph Angaline 13 son, born in IT on jan 1887, immigr. year 1895
Rock Angaline 10 son, born in IT on may 1890, immigr. year 1895
Charles Angaline 6 son, born in IT on jan 1894, immigr. year 1895
Katie Angaline 15 daughter, born in IT on dec 1884, immigr. year 1895
Rose Angaline 3 daughter, born in PA
Mary Angaline 8/12 daughter, born in PA

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Children's names are matching with this 1910 census:

1910 United States Federal Census
about John Angiolillo
Name: John Angiolillo
[John Angrolillo]
Age in 1910: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Spouse's name: Mary
Home in 1910: Marion Heights, Northumberland, Pennsylvania
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1885
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Angiolillo 49
Mary Angiolillo 49
Joe Angiolillo 22
Rocco Angiolillo 18
Girards Angiolillo 16
Bessie Angiolillo 13
Maggie Angiolillo 11
Frank Angiolillo 8

in this census all the children are born in PA :?:

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do you believe possible this was the same family?

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Re: Trip to Italy - Looking for a tour guide / genealogist

Postby PeterTimber » 02 Jul 2010, 14:04

Joseph you started out with questions. Have they all been answered? As for base of operations and travel in Italy (east -west is just a couple of hours sea to sea and going north by train is a few more hours going from South to North (including Sicily so figure 10-12 hours give or take

Automobile travel is about the same. =Peter=
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Re: Trip to Italy - Looking for a tour guide / genealogist

Postby JosephB » 02 Jul 2010, 16:25

PeterTimber wrote:Joseph you started out with questions. Have they all been answered? As for base of operations and travel in Italy (east -west is just a couple of hours sea to sea and going north by train is a few more hours going from South to North (including Sicily so figure 10-12 hours give or take

Automobile travel is about the same. =Peter=
Hi Peter,

Actually, no. The original questions were not answered.

Thanks,
Joe
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Re: Trip to Italy - Looking for a tour guide / genealogist

Postby misbris » 02 Jul 2010, 16:46

Perhaps these sites may be of help.

http://en.comuni-italiani.it/079/063/index.html

http://en.comuni-italiani.it/076/063/index.html

Have you found any ship's manifests for this family? This may help you narrow down town of origin in Potenza.
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