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stoathes hall wakefield

Postby emira » 14 Sep 2010, 16:28

hi

also looking for any information on stoathes hall huddersfield, had a great uncle in there from roundabout 1935 till 1968 not sure if he stayed all this time think he possible could have though. His name was ernest cassinelli.

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Re: stoathes hall wakefield

Postby carolinechurch » 15 Sep 2010, 03:30

Do you know anything about the place?
I'm wondering if it was Storthes Hall:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storthes_Hall
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Re: stoathes hall wakefield

Postby carolinechurch » 15 Sep 2010, 03:48

Do you have access to the 1911 census, as he is listed on FindMyPast, aged 12, but I can't see any more without paying them.
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Re: stoathes hall wakefield

Postby emira » 15 Sep 2010, 10:46

yes sorry you spelt it right. He is a bit of a mystery my great uncle he joined as a sea merchant and we think he left after his service i have him on a ship going to america in 1921. There was always a family mystery surrounding him the story went that he had stabbed someone and killed them, we don't know whether this was on board ship or not, We don't think it is cus we have his original sea documents and it says if they were kicked out or any disciplinary then the top right hand corner of the document would be torn off, and it is still in tact. He was supposed to have pleaded insanity to save himself from hanging and got sent to Australia. (what date we do not know). Then my grandad and his brother were supposed to have got him back somehow, we have found him coming in from australian from brisbane to hull in 1935. Which ties in with the stories we were told. We were then told he spent the rest of his life in storthes hall where he died in 1968. so as you see its a bit of a mystery which i would love to solve. so far i have had no luck. thanks for trying though.
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Re: stoathes hall wakefield

Postby carolinechurch » 15 Sep 2010, 20:18

So there is a possibility he may have ended up in the Storthes Hall Psychiatric hospital?
Pretty sure you should be able to find hospital records, which may be old enough by now to be accessible. I'll have a bit of a think, I'm pretty sure I have a link somewhere to a useful website.
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Re: stoathes hall wakefield

Postby emira » 16 Sep 2010, 16:14

thanks caroline
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Re: stoathes hall wakefield

Postby johnnyonthespot » 16 Sep 2010, 16:30

There is a record available at the Australian National Archives which may be of interest to you:

Title: Ernest Cassinelli - ex "Moreton Bay" en route from Sydney to England
Contents date range: 1934 - 1934
Series number: B13
Control symbol: 1934/12190
Item barcode: 814304
Location: Melbourne
Access status: Open
Date of decision: 17 Dec 2004
Physical format: PAPER FILES AND DOCUMENTS (allocated at series level)
Date registered: 17 Dec 1997

Click this link to view the record and, optionally, order photocopies of the associated documents: http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNR ... ode=814304

If you get a login page, click the "Login" button and then the "Guest" button on the next page.

PS: There was a penal colony located on Moreton Bay for a good part of the 1800's and probably later as well.
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Re: stoathes hall wakefield

Postby emira » 16 Sep 2010, 18:28

hi thanks for that you are a star. I may be a bit thick (lol). We have him entering england in 1935 to hull. Does this mean that this is the document that proves he left australia ? and any ideas on how i check to see if he was in this colony. Once again many many thanks
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Re: stoathes hall wakefield

Postby johnnyonthespot » 16 Sep 2010, 19:44

emira wrote:hi thanks for that you are a star. I may be a bit thick (lol). We have him entering england in 1935 to hull. Does this mean that this is the document that proves he left australia ? and any ideas on how i check to see if he was in this colony. Once again many many thanks


Honestly, I am not certain what the document(s) is/are. My impression is that they have something to do with his leaving Australia in 1934.

I see that the link I previously provided may not have worked as intended, so try this instead:

Click http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/

Click the "Guest" button

Enter "ernest cassinelli" (without the quotes) in the box labeled Keywords

Click the "Search" button

On the next page, click the "Request Copy" link near the upper right.

Follow the instructions given


Also, you can try copying the record details I posted in my earlier message into an email along with the question, "Can you tell me what this record would consist of so that I can decided if it will advance my research efforts?" and then send to archives@naa.gov.au (remove the spaces). I have no idea what the response time might be, however.
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Re: stoathes hall wakefield

Postby emira » 16 Sep 2010, 20:09

you are the master lol. Thanks for the that i sent an email and will keep you posted. thank you
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Re: stoathes hall wakefield

Postby suanj » 16 Sep 2010, 20:09

Hi, you already have the entering in England
here the ship's manifest lefting Australia:

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about Ernest Cassinelli Name: Ernest Cassinelli
Birth Date: abt 1899
Age: 36
Port of Departure: Brisbane, Australia
Arrival Date: 3 Jun 1935
Port of Arrival: Hull, England
Ports of Voyage: Brisbane
[Sydney]
[Hobart]
[Melbourne]
[Adelaide]
[Colombo]
Ship Name: Jervis Bay
Search Ship Database: View the 'Jervis Bay' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Aberdeen and Commonwealth Line
Official Number: 150187

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/9522/cassinelli.jpg
last permanent residence: Australia

so the document prove that he left Australia...
maybe you also have Ernest birth:

Name: Ernest Cassinelli
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 28 Dec 1898
Baptism/Christening Place: St. Vincent of Paul, Sheffield, York, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Joannis Cassinelli
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Emmae
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I05287-7
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1941826
Reference Number: p 351
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

you can obtain this document by UK National Archives:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/sear ... cTRAFALGAR

Description Name Cassinelli, Ernest
Official Number: J76017
Place of Birth: Sheffield, Yorkshire

Date 09 December 1898
Catalogue reference ADM 188/799

Dept Records of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, Coastguard, and related bodies
Series Admiralty: Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services
Piece 76001-76500
Image contains 1 document of many for this catalogue reference


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Re: stoathes hall wakefield

Postby emira » 16 Sep 2010, 20:15

you are all so amazing with your endless knowledge and taking the time to find things out for me i can't thank you engough honestly. Yes i had all that and we even have his original sea document and the right hand corner is still intact, so we are presuming he committed this offence after his sea legs. the last ship i have him on is to new york in 1921. but why can't i find out when he entered australia or why he entered australia?
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Postby suanj » 16 Sep 2010, 20:39

yes it is strange... however starting from 1921 the records, and he must be ... I found the entry in USA in 1919 no in 1921... so he left the USA for the Australia after the 1921... but I cannot find it...
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Re: stoathes hall wakefield

Postby emira » 16 Sep 2010, 20:43

sorry my apologies yes it was 1919, we are then presuming he returned to england but no luck in finding him anywhere after that apart from returning from australia in 1935 on the 3rd june. It's a real mystery which i would love to solve :?
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Re: stoathes hall wakefield

Postby carolinechurch » 16 Sep 2010, 22:53

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/t ... 1012920637

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bradford/content/a ... ture.shtml

http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums ... tic-Asylum

Here are some links to forums where other people are researching Storthes Hall as well - seems there may be a 100 year rule on records, but this may be of some help - gives some interesting background anyway.
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