Missing my great grandmothers info of birth

[lisajenkins1981]

Hi,
I am reaching out again to this helpful forum for information on my great grandmother. I thought I had the correct info but they were unable to find.

Her name was Famiana (Fannie) Bonitatibus. Born in August 8th or 9th about 1892. In Gallese Italy. Parents were Vincenzo and Domenica. I would also like to find baptismal paperwork if possible.

Thank you all for your help.

-Lisa

[jamiecapaldi]

When i searched the surname with the source info i use, it shows Pettorano Sul Gizio, L'Aquila (AQ), Abruzzo as the origin?!?

[lisajenkins1981]

That's what I've been to before but I am so confused. That commune said that had no record

[adelfio]

Do you ask for a certain year span? Did you ask for her birth act before 1890?


Marty

[lisajenkins1981]

Hi Marty, I said between 1890-1894 because she was born in 1892 or 1893. But it seems they have different info for her parents name. Her mom should have been Domenica De Mais but I can't find a record with that.

[pink67]

Hi Lisa,

do you have her marraige record from Familysearch.org? On this document she stated she was born in Pettorano Sul Gizio, and possibly her mother's maiden name was D'Amato...

See here:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... J:33830216

Laura

[adelfio]

Hi Lisa,

do you have her marraige record from Familysearch.org? On this document she stated she was born in Pettorano Sul Gizio, and possibly her mother's maiden name was D'Amato...

See here:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... J:33830216

Laura

Hi Laura
She has that record from Ohio I thing she is asking for the wrong year spand with her request to Pettorano Sul Gizio I would try 1885-1890 the records age might off

OGGETTO: Richiesta esito di atti di nascita di Famiana Bonitatibus .

Gentilissima Signora, Gentile Signore,

La ringrazio anticipatamente di voler comunicare i costi di spese di riproduzione e postali per ottenere l'esito di atti di nascita di:Famiana Bonitatibus di Vincenzo nato a Pettorano Sul Gizio il circa 1885-1890.
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Marty

[lisajenkins1981]

Hi Marty and Laura,

Can you both send me all the links you've found. Her death certificate says 1893 for birth and her ID card says 1892. I'm so confused. Thanks

[adelfio]

Hi Marty and Laura,

Can you both send me all the links you've found. Her death certificate says 1893 for birth and her ID card says 1892. I'm so confused. Thanks

What Im trying to say is the death record and other records might be wrong because of informants might have gave the wrong birth info like on the death record
That why I said to try 1885-1890 for her birth record what I put in the request to Pettorano Sul Gizio il circa 1885-1890 Its worth a try.
Laura's post has her marriage record which says she was born in Pettorano Sul Gizio

Marty

[pink67]

Lisa, I apologize if you already have these records but they can help us understanding her real age...

On her July 1909 marriage record she stated she was 19 years old, so born on aprox 1890 but on the 1910 census she's listed as 17 years old, I believe she pretended to be 19 years old just to be considered major of age:

from Ancestry.com

1910 United States Federal Census

Name: Fannie Circone
Age in 1910: 17
Birth Year: abt 1893
[1893]
Birthplace: Italy
Home in 1910: Steubenville Ward 2, Jefferson, Ohio
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1909
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: David Circone
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
David Circone 28
Fannie Circone 17

I found an interesting 1909 arrival manifest:

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957

Name: Giumera Bom Latibus
Arrival Date: 25 May 1909
Birth Date: abt 1892
Birth Location: Italy
Birth Location Other: gallere Gallese
Age: 17
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Roma
Search Ship Database: Search the Roma in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

This young girl was only 17 years old, she stated her last residence in Italy was Pettorano (sul Gizio), her nearest relative in Pettorano was her father Vincenzo, she was going to West Virginia, Follansbee, to join her brother Pasquale and her place of birth was Gallese.

image from Ellisisland.org:

page 1:
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0003
page 2:
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0003

I think this is Pasquale Bonitatibus's death certificate... his father was Vincenzo Bonitatibus , his mother was Domenica (no maiden name is listed), he was born on 1876 in Pettorano sul Gizio and these names are matching with Famiana's parents...:

http://www.wvculture.org/vrr/va_view2.a ... Number=218

On his naturalization papers Pasquale stated he landed in NY on December 1903 on the ship Roma, this is his arrival manifest:

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0017

Pasquale Bonitatibus, age 27, male, married, from Pettorano to Grafton, WV, to join his father in law Circone Giuseppe... So I was wondering if Famiana married her sister in law's brother?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... 1121275504

Laura

[lisajenkins1981]

Thanks you two for the help. I scanned some documents and emailed to Pettorano. I also went one step further and contacted Gallese to see what they had.