Benaci - what it the correct name?

[maria280]

I have just located a relative's U.S. Naturalization record from 1919.
The "last foreign residence" and town of birth are listed as Benaci, Italy.
When I google Benaci - the closest name seems to be Torri del Benaco, Italy.
Does that sound like a reasonable match?
Or would you suggest a better one?
Family lore is that this relative was from northern Italy.
thanks.

[erudita74]

I have just located a relative's U.S. Naturalization record from 1919.
The "last foreign residence" and town of birth are listed as Benaci, Italy.
When I google Benaci - the closest name seems to be Torri del Benaco, Italy.
Does that sound like a reasonable match?
Or would you suggest a better one?
Family lore is that this relative was from northern Italy.
thanks.

There is also the town of San Felice del Benaco in the province of Brescia in the Lombardia region.

Erudita

[Tessa78]

I have just located a relative's U.S. Naturalization record from 1919.
The "last foreign residence" and town of birth are listed as Benaci, Italy.
When I google Benaci - the closest name seems to be Torri del Benaco, Italy.
Does that sound like a reasonable match?
Or would you suggest a better one?
Family lore is that this relative was from northern Italy.
thanks.

Do you have the actual arrival manifest for your relative? It would be interesting to see what is on that document...
If you do not have that record, maybe we can help you search for it. Can you give us a name and date of arrival/ship name?

T.

[maria280]

Thanks for your input T. and Erduita,

Here is a link to the actual document.


Benaci is listed twice.
Thanks for looking at it.

T has helped me with this Piraine/Piraino search before - trying to locate this manifest - and I am still looking. This doc is just the newest bit of information that I was hoping would lead me right to it but it still remains unfound.

[erudita74]

Thanks for your input T. and Erduita,

Here is a link to the actual document.


Benaci is listed twice.
Thanks for looking at it.

T has helped me with this Piraine/Piraino search before - trying to locate this manifest - and I am still looking. This doc is just the newest bit of information that I was hoping would lead me right to it but it still remains unfound.

I can tell you that the ship name listed on the naturalization paper is not the correct one, as the Ancona's first arrival in NY, other than in 1848, was on April 9, 1908. So if he arrived on or about March 2, 1904, as stated in the naturalization paper, your ancestor did not arrive on the Ancona. I will caution you also that such dates on naturalization papers are not always correct. My one great grandfather's naturalization record had him arriving on or about July 1892 but his first arrival in the U.S. was actually in Aug of 1893. You can use the link below to see ships that did arrive around the date on the naturalization record.
Erudita

http://stevemorse.org/cgi-bin/boat.php? ... atabase=ny

[suanj]

Hi, I believe that the right surname spelling is: PIRAINO and the birthplace could be BAUCINA (Palermo province)... just a suggestion,
regards,
suanj

[maria280]

Thanks Erudita and Suanj,

Its encouraging to hear that you just have to keep looking, rather than think the simple answer is in the document.

Suanj - this relative had blue eyes and blond hair and we were told that he came from Northern Italy. Would you put any weight on his eyes and hair making it more likely that he came from the north?

thanks.

[erudita74]

Thanks Erudita and Suanj,

Its encouraging to hear that you just have to keep looking, rather than think the simple answer is in the document.

Suanj - this relative had blue eyes and blond hair and we were told that he came from Northern Italy. Would you put any weight on his eyes and hair making it more likely that he came from the north?

thanks.

You're welcome, Maria. FYI, I actually had Sicilian born relatives who had fair skin and hazel colored eyes, so don't assume that your ancestors were from the north just because of skin and eye color. There was actually a thread on this forum, which may now be gone, where there was a lengthy discussion about this. Anyway, the town I mentioned to you, and the one you found, are neighboring towns, I believe, so one of those may be correct, but you should remain open minded about the possibility suggested to you by suanj.

Erudita

[suanj]

Thanks Erudita and Suanj,

Its encouraging to hear that you just have to keep looking, rather than think the simple answer is in the document.

Suanj - this relative had blue eyes and blond hair and we were told that he came from Northern Italy. Would you put any weight on his eyes and hair making it more likely that he came from the north?

thanks.

Hi,
the correct spelling of surname is basic in the search, I believed Piraino, because to seem so to me..
but also because in WWI draft registration card I found a:
U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 about Giovanni Battestie Piraine
Name: Giovanni Battestie Piraine
City: Camden
County: Camden
State: New Jersey
Birth Date: 30 Dec 1881
Race: White
Draft Board: 3

maybe a Domenico relative?

well the birthplace of this Giovanni Battista is no mentioned on the WWI draft registration card, but I found just:

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about G Battista Piraine
Name: G Battista Piraine
Arrival Date: 12 Apr 1902
Birth Date: abt 1881
Age: 21
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Italian
Port of Departure: Napoli
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Citta Di Milano
born in Pedace and joining at brother Costantino in Philadelphia, PA..
maybe Pedace correct birthplace? In Pedace are Piraino and Piraine surnames...


By Cosenza Archive the military record:

Codice SIAS IT-ASCS-F680258
Ufficio Leva della Provincia di Cosenza, Liste di Leva della classe 1881.Registro numero 177,
atto numero 113 di pagina 398 sezione b
Giovanbattista Piraine, contadino iscritto il --/--/----
nato il 29/12/1881 a PEDACE
da Salvatore Piraine e da Rosaria Papaianni


Giovanbattista Piraine farmer born in Pedace on 29 Dec. 1881 son of Salvatore Piraine and Rosaria Papaianni

I cannot find the arrival of your Domenico..
regards,
suanj

[suanj]

Hi, maybe I found some clue.
I found this census:

1910 United States Federal Census about Dominic Piraino
Name: Dominic Piraino
Age in 1910: 26
Birth Year: 1884
Birthplace: Italy
Home in 1910: Nashwauk, Itasca, Minnesota
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1903
Relation to Head of House: Boarder
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Frank Nicolette 23
Tesirma Nicolette 20
Chas Nicolette 0
[9/12]
Vicanad Nicolette 17
Joe Vlante 31
Toney Vnicsa 26
Dominic Piraino 26
Frank Piraino 21
Louis Marano 21
Joe Ciocio 23
Dominick Ciocio 19

with Frank Piraino brother... I found a Francesco PIRAINO arrival (trip crossed):
First Name: Francesco
Last Name: Piraino
Ethnicity: Italy, Italian South
Last Place of Residence: Pedace
Date of Arrival: Jun 15, 1905
Age at Arrival: 17y Gender: M Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Konig Albert
Port of Departure: Naples
Manifest Line Number: 0024

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0024

joining at brother Domenico.
Right trip:

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Francesco Piraine
Name: Francesco Piraine
Arrival Date: 14 Jun 1906
Birth Date: abt 1889
Age: 17
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Napoli
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Sicilia
joining at brother Domenico in Michigan... the birth place is PEDACE (Cosenza province)... it could be Pedace .. the right birth place?
suanj

[erudita74]

suanj

This may be the passenger list info for the Domenico who goes with the family you found. I just can't say it is the Domenico for whom the poster is searching. Erudita


First Name: Domenico
Last Name: Pizame
Ethnicity: Italy, Italian South
Last Place of Residence: Pedace
Date of Arrival: Mar 31, 1902
Age at Arrival: 20y Gender: M Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Lahn
Port of Departure: Naples
Manifest Line Number: 0017

[suanj]

Erudita you found it! seeming the right ship's manifest:
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0017

I found that also Frank Piraino/e made a trip back from Canada...
I believe that they worked in USa and in Canada in the first years of immigration and after they lived in USA definitely..
Thanks,
suanj

[suanj]

also Costantino Piraine lived in Camden, Camden, NJ:
1930 United States Federal Census about Costantino Piraine
Name: Costantino Piraine
[Costantino Piraino]
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1880
Birthplace: Italy
Race: White
Home in 1930: Camden, Camden, New Jersey
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Marital Status: Married
Immigration Year: 1900
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Philomena M Piraine
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace:

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Household Members:
Name Age
Costantino Piraine 50
Philomena M Piraine 44
Elizabeth B Piraine 22
Marie R Piraine 20

as a well Giovanni Battista Piraine aka John Piraine:
1930 United States Federal Census about John Piraine
Name: John Piraine
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1885
Birthplace: Italy
Race: White
Home in 1930: Camden, Camden, New Jersey
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Marital Status: Widowed
Relation to Head of House: Son-in-law
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace:

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Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Corado 62
John Piraine 45
Marie Piraine 17
Samuel Piraine 15

1940 United States Federal Census about John Piraine
Name: John Piraine
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Italy
Marital Status: Widowed
Relation to Head of House: Father-in-law
Home in 1940: Collingswood, Camden, New Jersey
View Map
Street: Homestead Avenue
House Number: 211
Inferred Residence in 1935: Camden, Camden, New Jersey
Residence in 1935: Camden, Camden, New Jersey
Citizenship: Naturalized
Sheet Number: 10B
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: Elementary school, 5th grade
Weeks Worked in 1939: 0
Income: 0
Income Other Sources: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
George Ekes 29
Marie Ekes 29
Fred Ekes 3
John Piraine 59

I am pretty sure that Pedace is right birthplace.... the brothers lived all in Camden....
suanj

[erudita74]

Here is Domenick's WWI draft registration card. Unfortunately, it doesn't give us a town name in Italy. Original card is viewable on familysearch.org
Erudita


Domenik Piran, "United States, World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918"
Name: Domenik Piran
Event Type: Draft Registration
Event Date: 1917-1918
Event Place: Camden City no 3, New Jersey, United States
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 25 Apr 1882
Birthplace: , , Italy
Nationality: Italy
Affiliate Publication Title: World War I Selective Service System Draft Registration Cards
Affiliate Publication Number: M1509
GS Film number: 1711989
Digital Folder Number: 005217860
Image Number: 01834

For reference, here is the previous thread on this family which I just saw. Sorry I duplicated the above info, which I now see you already have.

topic23942.html#p173395

[suanj]

Thanks Erudita!
suanj