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Lo Nigro records, Piana dei Greci

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Re: Lo Nigro records, Piana dei Greci

Postby PeterTimber » 24 Feb 2009, 14:35

There are currently 10 persons surnamed Lo Nigro inthe Argentina telephone directory (not everyone has gtelephones at residences ratio is 1:10) but immigration to Argentina of persons surnamed Lo Nigro are 28 over the 1890 to 1927 period. =Peter=
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Re: Lo Nigro records, Piana dei Greci

Postby Ebrei » 21 Aug 2009, 15:03

A good portion of Calabria and Sicilia were Jewish before the Inquisition. These areas were Spanish territories and the Edict of Expulsion applied to them. Jews were forced to flee or convert. Their are many descendants of those forced to convert living in Calabria and Sicilia today. It has been my experience that many refuse to admit to their heritage or it has been forgotten. Check out Rabbi Barbara Aiello's site: www.rabbibarbara.com for more information on this important history.

Surnames once contained the prefix Lo or Di, etc. in Jewish families to preserve their Jewishness in the same way they do with names such as Ben Ruben (Son of Ruben), etc. Many of these prefixes were dropped over time. Does this mean that all families with such prefixes were Jewish? Probably not. But when the surname is connected to records of the Inquisition, you have solid evidence.

The Jews in Italy are the oldest of the diaspora. Much has been done to erase the history of our people over the centuries. Fortunately, there is an awakening in some parts of Italy, Spain, Mexico, Central America and the Southwestern United States.

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Re: Lo Nigro records, Piana dei Greci

Postby PeterTimber » 21 Aug 2009, 15:25

Dear Ebrei what do you mean by "oldest of the diaspora"? =Peter=
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Re: Lo Nigro records, Piana dei Greci

Postby Ebrei » 21 Aug 2009, 15:37

Hi Peter,

Before the advent of Christianity, Jews settled on the Italian peninsula. It is the oldest living Jewish community in the West. H. Stuart Hughes considers the Jews of Italy "the most ancient of minorities" in Prisoners of Hope: The Silver Age of the Italian Jews.

Dr. Cipolla has a some good information on the Jews of Sicily at:
http://www.dieli.net/SicilyPage/JewishS ... icily.html

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Re: Lo Nigro records, Piana dei Greci

Postby MauroMags » 21 Aug 2009, 15:50

The Jewish communities of Greece (Corinth, Thessaloniki,) probably pre-date the communities in Italy...

In his Epistles (letters) Paul wrote to these Jews, who were solidly established in Greece before Christian times

They then probably followed the Greek colonization of Southern Italy...


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Re: Lo Nigro records, Piana dei Greci

Postby PeterTimber » 21 Aug 2009, 15:59

Before the advent of Christianity Greeks colonials also settled in the Italian Peninsula and perhaps earlier than the Jews but why do you consider the Jews a minority in a then vacant land? =Peter=
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Re: Lo Nigro records, Piana dei Greci

Postby Ebrei » 21 Aug 2009, 16:28

Are you referring to the Italian peninsula as a then vacant land?

Jews were in Rome as early as 200-161 years BCE. Rome is known to be the oldest Jewish community in Europe and also one the oldest continuous Jewish settlements in the world.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... /Rome.html

Also of interest is the name Italia. I-tal-Jah, Hebrew for "island of divine dew." There's an interesting tradition behind this.

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Re: Lo Nigro records, Piana dei Greci

Postby PeterTimber » 21 Aug 2009, 16:56

No I am referring to the minorities that were the original inhabitants of southern Italy prior to the founding of the Greek colonies 2,500 yearsago and that anybody else coming to Italy from abroad were named and/or no name people.

The name of Italy is an ancient name for the country and people of Central Italy and the likely origin for the name maybe from the anicent Oscan "VITALIU" (English=VEAL) as Italy was a land rich uin cattle since ancient times.

There is,however a historian named Pallotino who claims that the name was originally derived from the ITALI who settled in modern Calabria. The Greeks came to use the name for the greater region but it was not until the time of the Roman conqueststhat the terms was expanded to cover the entire peninsula. =Peter=
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Re: Lo Nigro records, Piana dei Greci

Postby Ebrei » 21 Aug 2009, 17:19

http://www.amazon.com/Most-Ancient-Mino ... 0313318956

Very interesting ideas indeed exist as to the name of Italia.

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Re: Lo Nigro records, Piana dei Greci

Postby PeterTimber » 21 Aug 2009, 17:44

More to the point, an excellent quick read of Italy rediscovering Greek heritage is http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4116006.stm.

What I found keenly interesting is that Greek civilization in Magna Grecia began to decline after the 5th century which means that Southern Italians are only 1500 years removed from the glory of ancient Greece and the wonders of Greek democracy, art, literature, medicine, architecture, civics of all kinds etc etc etc. and that it was only up to Mussolini's era that sicilian named towns with translated greek alphabet (XIACCA=Sciacca) were italianized and that a town or two with spoken greek dialect and not Sicilian were identified

There is an excellent guide on Italian Jewish Genealogy at www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/italy/italian.htm on "Roman Times" which you might find interesting since it details Jewish Italy duiring that period. =Peter=
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Re: Lo Nigro records, Piana dei Greci

Postby MauroMags » 21 Aug 2009, 18:11

In southern Puglia (Salento) There is a small population that still does speak Greek!

http://www.salentogriko.info/
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Re: Lo Nigro records, Piana dei Greci

Postby Ebrei » 21 Aug 2009, 18:50

Thanks for the great links.

My paternal ancestors are from Kundisa/Contessa Entellina, Sicilia. It's an Albanian enclave like Piana Degli Albanese. I have read something to the effect that ancient Entella was an old Greek spot as well.

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Re: Lo Nigro records, Piana dei Greci

Postby PeterTimber » 22 Aug 2009, 00:03

There are two other sites that should be of interest to you which may have escaped your attention.

www.geocities.com/Athens/9479/arvanita.html?200914 and

www.wildwinds.com/coins/greece/sicily/entella/t.html

Have fun. =Peter=
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Re: Lo Nigro records, Piana dei Greci

Postby kimT » 21 Dec 2011, 05:20

I just saw this post even though the thread is old, I thought I'd reply as my Great-grandmother's last name is Clesceri. She immigrated from Piana dei Greci. My aunt has been taking a break from the ancestry search but she got quite far.
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Re: Lo Nigro records, Piana dei Greci

Postby Pernechele » 28 Apr 2012, 17:43

Hi there, Im new here. My great-great-grandmothers last name was Clesceri, also born in Piana, 1863, died in Los Angeles 1953. Lo Nigro is also in my family line. Maybe we are related?
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