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Re: Lorenzo/Santoro- marriage license or birth record

Postby CiaoGina » 05 Sep 2013, 01:36

Ok so now it seems that the next logical document to look for is a death certificate for Rosa de Maio of San Fele and maybe a marriage certificate for Sabastiano and either of the Rosas! Anyone interested in taking this on?

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Re: Lorenzo/Santoro- marriage license or birth record

Postby CiaoGina » 05 Sep 2013, 07:00

CiaoGina wrote:Ok so now it seems that the next logical document to look for is a death certificate for Rosa de Maio of San Fele and maybe a marriage certificate for Petroangelo and either of the Rosas! Anyone interested in taking this on?

Grazie

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update: I found this:


First Name: Rosa
Last Name: De Maio
Ethnicity: Italy, Italian
Last Place of Residence: San Fele
Date of Arrival: Oct 24, 1898
Age at Arrival: 58y Gender: F Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: Neustria
Port of Departure: Naples

and on the document it looks like she is with an 11 year old name Lou Lorenzo? Plus two other people.


Sabastiano (her son?) left on April 14 of 1898 when he was 17

Anyone want to help me make sense of this? If this is really Sabastiano's mother then why did she come without her husband, with another child and 6 months after Sebastiano?

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0021
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Re: Lorenzo/Santoro- marriage license or birth record

Postby suanj » 05 Sep 2013, 10:53

CiaoGina wrote:
CiaoGina wrote:Ok so now it seems that the next logical document to look for is a death certificate for Rosa de Maio of San Fele and maybe a marriage certificate for Petroangelo and either of the Rosas! Anyone interested in taking this on?

Grazie

Gina Lorenzo


update: I found this:


First Name: Rosa
Last Name: De Maio
Ethnicity: Italy, Italian
Last Place of Residence: San Fele
Date of Arrival: Oct 24, 1898
Age at Arrival: 58y Gender: F Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: Neustria
Port of Departure: Naples

and on the document it looks like she is with an 11 year old name Lou Lorenzo? Plus two other people.


Sabastiano (her son?) left on April 14 of 1898 when he was 17

Anyone want to help me make sense of this? If this is really Sabastiano's mother then why did she come without her husband, with another child and 6 months after Sebastiano?

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0021

the little Lorenzo is the son of line 20; this Rosa De Maio joining at husband ... Lorenzo.
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Re: Lorenzo/Santoro- marriage license or birth record

Postby suanj » 05 Sep 2013, 11:03

Sebastiano Lorenzo trip: Apr 14, 1898
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0017
joining at father lorenzo..
so Pietrangelo came in USA also before of Apr 14, 1898(Sebastiano trip) and Rosa Di Maio came on Oct 24, 1898...
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Re: Lorenzo/Santoro- marriage license or birth record

Postby suanj » 05 Sep 2013, 11:13

on Sebastiano birth act found by Marty, Pietrangelo was 39 old in 1881 so born around 1842; I found this arrival ( maybe first trip):
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Patrangele Lorenzo
Name: Patrangele Lorenzo
Arrival Date: 13 Dec 1881
Birth Date: abt 1841
Age: 40
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Italian
Place of Origin: Italy
Port of Departure: Mediterranean Ports
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Olympia
travelling with Pasquale Lorenzo 17 old and Vincenzo Lorenzo 15 old (?)


http://interactive.ancestry.com/7488/NY ... turnRecord

second trip:
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Pietra Angela Lorenzo
Name: Pietra Angela Lorenzo
Arrival Date: 29 Mar 1888
Birth Date: abt 1842
Age: 46
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Italian
Place of Origin: Italy
Port of Departure: Marseilles, France and Naples, Italy
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Britannia

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I believe that Rosa Di Maio as the second wife of Pietrangelo... maybe..

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Re: Lorenzo/Santoro- marriage license or birth record

Postby adelfio » 05 Sep 2013, 16:53

Prego Suanj
INDEX#146
1865 May 3rd in the town of San Fele birth of Teresa Lorenzo daughter of of Pietrangelo Lorenzo age 21 and Rosa de Maio age 22

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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... n317060587

I think they were married in 1864 they only year that is missing out of the marriage records of San Fele they were 21 and 22 years old at the birth of Teresa so it would make it about right
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Re: Lorenzo/Santoro- marriage license or birth record

Postby CiaoGina » 05 Sep 2013, 17:36

Thank you all for this. I am overwhelmed trying to make sense of the new names and dates! I still am baffled with Rosa DeMaio coming over with her son to meet her other son (Sebastiano) and husband and then 2 years later Rosa Santoro is listed as mother on Sebastiano's marriage license.
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Re: Lorenzo/Santoro- marriage license or birth record

Postby CiaoGina » 05 Sep 2013, 17:50

First Name: Rosa
Last Name: De Maio
Ethnicity: Italy, Italian
Last Place of Residence: San Fele
Date of Arrival: Oct 24, 1898
Age at Arrival: 58y Gender: F Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: Neustria
Port of Departure: Naples

and on the document it looks like she is with an 11 year old name Lou Lorenzo? Plus two other people.



the little Lorenzo is the son of line 20; this Rosa De Maio joining at husband ... Lorenzo.
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Thank you but it looks like they are all traveling together-all going to meet Lorenzos. Can you make out the last name-looks like Sandiego or similar. Yes I beleive the little on is 1 year old not 11.
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Re: Lorenzo/Santoro- marriage license or birth record

Postby adelfio » 05 Sep 2013, 19:21

CiaoGina wrote:Thank you all for this. I am overwhelmed trying to make sense of the new names and dates! I still am baffled with Rosa DeMaio coming over with her son to meet her other son (Sebastiano) and husband and then 2 years later Rosa Santoro is listed as mother on Sebastiano's marriage license.


Could be a typo which is not uncommon on USA records

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Re: Lorenzo/Santoro- marriage license or birth record

Postby CiaoGina » 05 Sep 2013, 20:32

adelfio wrote:Prego Suanj


I think they were married in 1864 they only year that is missing out of the marriage records of San Fele they were 21 and 22 years old at the birth of Teresa so it would make it about right
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Interesting. Why do you think the records are missing? They were tainted for some reason?
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Re: Lorenzo/Santoro- marriage license or birth record

Postby suanj » 05 Sep 2013, 21:03

Lucia Dondiego 21 old joining at husband .. Lorenzo in Newark; ditto Lorenzo Dondiego 1 old
Antonio Dondiego 14 old joiningg at uncle Sebastiano in Newark ..

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Re: Lorenzo/Santoro- marriage license or birth record

Postby CiaoGina » 05 Sep 2013, 21:12

Perfect. Joining uncle Sebastiano! Thank you.
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Re: Lorenzo/Santoro- marriage license or birth record

Postby suanj » 05 Sep 2013, 21:16

suanj wrote:on Sebastiano birth act found by Marty, Pietrangelo was 39 old in 1881 so born around 1842; I found this arrival ( maybe first trip):
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Patrangele Lorenzo
Name: Patrangele Lorenzo
Arrival Date: 13 Dec 1881
Birth Date: abt 1841
Age: 40
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Italian
Place of Origin: Italy
Port of Departure: Mediterranean Ports
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Olympia
travelling with Pasquale Lorenzo 17 old and Vincenzo Lorenzo 15 old (?)


http://interactive.ancestry.com/7488/NY ... turnRecord

second trip:
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Pietra Angela Lorenzo
Name: Pietra Angela Lorenzo
Arrival Date: 29 Mar 1888
Birth Date: abt 1842
Age: 46
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Italian
Place of Origin: Italy
Port of Departure: Marseilles, France and Naples, Italy
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Britannia

Search Ship Database: Search the Britannia in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse. ... &ml_rpos=1
I believe that Rosa Di Maio was the second wife of Pietrangelo... maybe..

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I found the marriage of Vincenzo Lorenzo and Pasquale Lorenzo; the other name is no Rosa De Maio:
Pasquale Lorenzo, "New York, Marriages, 1686-1980"
Name: Pasquale Lorenzo
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Rosa Bufana

Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 20 Nov 1886
Event Place: Manhattan, New York, New York
Father's Name: ...ieto... Angela

Mother's Name: Sabetto Lasza

Spouse's Father's Name: Michele Angelo

Spouse's Mother's Name: Mariana Frasc...Lo

Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01062-7

System Origin: New_York-ODM
GS Film number: 1570943

Reference ID:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F6WJ-H2N

Vincenzo Lorenzo, "New York, Marriages, 1686-1980"
Name: Vincenzo Lorenzo
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Rosa Delmonde
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 08 Jul 1895
Event Place: Manhattan, New York, New York
Father's Name: Petronglo
Mother's Name: Sabella Lonza
Spouse's Father's Name: Guiseppe
Spouse's Mother's Name: Lucia Pieligrino
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00631-0
System Origin: New_York-ODM
GS Film number: 1493184
Reference ID:

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so maybe is another family.. another Pietrangelo....
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Re: Lorenzo/Santoro- marriage license or birth record

Postby CiaoGina » 05 Sep 2013, 22:09

Thanks. Yes I don't believe these are relatives. Right now I am trying to make sure there is no Rosa Santoro at that time from San Fele-the closest one is Rosa Santoro from Naples who immigrated 1905- getting closer to convincing my family that there are no Santoros in the family and it was a weird misprint on Seb.'s marriage cert.I am also finding info on the other passengers who were with Rosa de Maio and found Teresa's ship manifest also 1898. I love putting puzzles together!
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Re: Lorenzo/Santoro- marriage license or birth record

Postby CiaoGina » 10 Sep 2013, 22:45

OK We have embraced the fact that Rosa De Maio was my gr gr grandmother married to Pietroangelo. They had a daughter Teresa in 1865 a son Sebastiano in 1880 and a son Arcangelo born around 1885(a giant spread but I assume not so unusual). They came here from San Fele Basilicata separately around 1898-1903.

I would love to find a birth cert.and any other info besides the ship manifestt for Archangelo and any other children of theirs born in this gap.

if anyone could help that would be great!
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