Okay... now the rest of my family is jumping on board... they love to watch me do all the work... what can i say ... I'm Type A!
So my cousin asked me this question... (Like I am the expert) and I, In turn, throw it to you...
Our Great Grandfather was born in Italy... as was MY grandfather... my cousin's grandfather... (my great Uncle was born here) and was 2 when my great grandfather became a citizen. Will My Cousin Qualify?
GGF - BORN ITALY - NATURALIZED in 1909.
GF - BORN USA - 1907
DId the Citizen pass from my GGF to TO his US born SON?
y'all are smarter than me so help!!
Nicholas (Yes we are all named Nicholas... on BOTH SIDES OF MY FAMILY!!!)
GFF - GF - F - QUALIFICATION QUESTION
Re: GFF - GF - F - QUALIFICATION QUESTION
if:
GGF - BORN ITALY - NATURALIZED in 1909
naturalized with child
GF - BORN USA - 1907
the child lost italian citizenship
if:
GGF - BORN ITALY - NATURALIZED in 1909
naturalized alone, the GF - BORN USA - 1907 no lost italian citizenship, because him father was italian citizen at birth of child born in 1907
GGF - BORN ITALY - NATURALIZED in 1909
naturalized with child
GF - BORN USA - 1907
the child lost italian citizenship
if:
GGF - BORN ITALY - NATURALIZED in 1909
naturalized alone, the GF - BORN USA - 1907 no lost italian citizenship, because him father was italian citizen at birth of child born in 1907
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Re: GFF - GF - F - QUALIFICATION QUESTION
Which consulate again?
If New York or San Francisso, then there is a big problem.
Both of these consulates interpret Italian law as saying that any naturalization which occurred prior to June 12 (or July 1), 1912, automatically causes the loss of citizenship of the applicant plus all of his minor children regardless of whether they were born in Italy or the US.
See this recent thread: http://italiangenealogy.com/Forums/view ... =1912.html
So far as I know, New York and San Francisco are the only US consulates known to enforce this rule at this time. From this document, San Francisco site, http://www.conssanfrancisco.esteri.it/N ... ZIONI1.doc ( http://www.conssanfrancisco.esteri.it/C ... tadinanza/ )
If New York or San Francisso, then there is a big problem.
Both of these consulates interpret Italian law as saying that any naturalization which occurred prior to June 12 (or July 1), 1912, automatically causes the loss of citizenship of the applicant plus all of his minor children regardless of whether they were born in Italy or the US.
See this recent thread: http://italiangenealogy.com/Forums/view ... =1912.html
So far as I know, New York and San Francisco are the only US consulates known to enforce this rule at this time. From this document, San Francisco site, http://www.conssanfrancisco.esteri.it/N ... ZIONI1.doc ( http://www.conssanfrancisco.esteri.it/C ... tadinanza/ )
ANCESTORS NATURALIZED BEFORE JUNE 14, 1912 CANNOT TRANSMIT CITIZENSHIP (EVEN TO CHILDREN BORN BEFORE THEIR NATURALIZATION)
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Re: GFF - GF - F - QUALIFICATION QUESTION
How can I tell if he was "naturalized with child"?
Also I am going to the Los Angeles Consulate.
Also I am going to the Los Angeles Consulate.
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Re: GFF - GF - F - QUALIFICATION QUESTION
I think Raffaella (suanj) means if the child is listed on the father's Petition for Naturalization.ncaprio wrote:How can I tell if he was "naturalized with child"?
Also I am going to the Los Angeles Consulate.
Here is my understanding:
For New York and San Francisco, it doesn't matter who is listed or not listed. If a child was a minor at the time his father naturalized - regardless of where the child was born - than the child lost all rights to Italian citizenship and the line is broken.
For all other consulates, if the child was born in Italy, then he/she lost his Italian citizenship when his/her father became a US citizen. If the child was born in the US, then he/she retained his Italian citizenship when his/her father became a US citizen.
Note to readers not following the thread: we are talking here specifically about persons who became naturalized US citizens prior to June 14/July 1, 1912 and how that relates to rules enforced by San Francisco/New York consulates.
Carmine
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