five characters on the cover of the passport
five characters on the cover of the passport
I am trying to figure out what these four characters signify.
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It it April 19th?
Is the third character from the left a rather ornate slash? Or is it something else?
See attached image.
Thanks
1 9 ? 4 ·
It it April 19th?
Is the third character from the left a rather ornate slash? Or is it something else?
See attached image.
Thanks
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Re: five characters on the cover of the passport
Curiously, I reviewed the images of several passports from a similar time period and not a single one had any remotely similar markings on the front cover. Most had no markings at all.
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Re: five characters on the cover of the passport
I would have guessed that the third character was a "5" and that it read "1954"
I think it reads "13(or 19) Agosto 1954"
T.
I think it reads "13(or 19) Agosto 1954"
T.
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I agree on the date, however that looks like a "Regno D'Italia" passport and they went out of business at the end of WWII, didn't they?Tessa78 wrote:I would have guessed that the third character was a "5" and that it read "1954"
I think it reads "13(or 19) Agosto 1954"
T.
So, maybe the markings are not contemporary (that is, not original) but added much, much, later?
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Re: five characters on the cover of the passport
Carmine
I defer to your knowledge of passports...
If you feel that the date can't be later than late 40's, then I agree.
I do think, though, that the number resembles many "5's" I've seen on manifests...
I think I'll look further into the shape of this character
T.
I defer to your knowledge of passports...
If you feel that the date can't be later than late 40's, then I agree.
I do think, though, that the number resembles many "5's" I've seen on manifests...
I think I'll look further into the shape of this character
T.
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Re: five characters on the cover of the passport
The date is definitely 13 agosto 1954 and is not the date when the passport was issued.
I don't understand why Carmine believes it was a "Regno d'Italia" passport...
The passport was printed in the typography of the Foreign affairs department (Ministero degli Affari Esteri).
I don't understand why Carmine believes it was a "Regno d'Italia" passport...
The passport was printed in the typography of the Foreign affairs department (Ministero degli Affari Esteri).
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Livio, I thought it was odd, but I did find this image: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt ... 08&bih=655liviomoreno wrote:The date is definitely 13 agosto 1954 and is not the date when the passport was issued.
I don't understand why Carmine believes it was a "Regno d'Italia" passport...
The passport was printed in the typography of the Foreign affairs department (Ministero degli Affari Esteri).
Where there is one, there must be more. Perhaps this was a transitional passport, used between the end of the war and the formal change to Repubblica Italiana?
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You are correct, they look identical!johnnyonthespot wrote:
Livio, I thought it was odd, but I did find this image: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt ... 08&bih=655
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liviomoreno wrote: You are correct, they look identical!
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Well, I wasn't trying to trick anybody by cutting the top off. I was focusing on the strange glyph.
Could this have been a reissued passport? It belonged to my great-grandfather, born in 1872. He emigrated in 1911.
Could this have been a reissued passport? It belonged to my great-grandfather, born in 1872. He emigrated in 1911.
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I doubt that the August 19, 1954 date has any official meaning related to the passport. There are also other numbers(12 and 215) on the cover that have no meaning to me.
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Hi, Timo.timo wrote:Well, I wasn't trying to trick anybody by cutting the top off. I was focusing on the strange glyph.
Could this have been a reissued passport? It belonged to my great-grandfather, born in 1872. He emigrated in 1911.
You have opened a curiosity...
If you don't mind, which comune issued the passport? What is the issue date? Would you mind showing us the inside pages?
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Re: five characters on the cover of the passport
Livio, the Ministero degli Affari Esteri existed always, even in 1861?liviomoreno wrote: The passport was printed in the typography of the Foreign affairs department (Ministero degli Affari Esteri).
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elenco_dei ... o_d'Italia
So, perhaps some passports say Ministero degli Affari Esteri on the cover and others did not: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt ... 29,r:1,s:0
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Re: five characters on the cover of the passport
Comune: Pietraperzia (Sicilia)
This passport is in the possession of my cousin, who has sent me some photographs using his cell phone camera. Since he and I have not discussed my displaying the photos on a public website, I have redacted the names and identifying information.
P.S. I don't know anything about Italian penmanship but this writing on the cover is definitely not American. This writing has a practiced flair. Almost certainly it was not written by my great-grandfather who according to the passport was analfabeta. My grandfather's handwriting and my grandmother's look nothing like this. I've never seen my great-grandmother's handwriting, but have no reason to believe she was any more literate than my great-grandfather.
This passport is in the possession of my cousin, who has sent me some photographs using his cell phone camera. Since he and I have not discussed my displaying the photos on a public website, I have redacted the names and identifying information.
P.S. I don't know anything about Italian penmanship but this writing on the cover is definitely not American. This writing has a practiced flair. Almost certainly it was not written by my great-grandfather who according to the passport was analfabeta. My grandfather's handwriting and my grandmother's look nothing like this. I've never seen my great-grandmother's handwriting, but have no reason to believe she was any more literate than my great-grandfather.
Re: five characters on the cover of the passport
Could the August date on the front cover have had something to do with the 16 agosto 1911 date inside, and the "per tre anni" qualification? Any chance that the unusual glyph is not a 5 but a 1? So the front cover would read
? Agosto
1914
? Agosto
1914