Last name Laurenzo and Favicchio

[sassicassi]

Hi there,

I'm trying to locate information on my great grandparents to track down their birth, marriage and death certificates. I know where they were buried and have access to those and we think we may have found the marriage certificate as well but are waiting on a family member who's not so interested in this project. We're trying to acquire our Italian passports by line of decent.

Here's the information I have now. I believe I've found the second manifest record for my great grandfather but Im really not sure. My grandfather has passed as well as most of his family and I only have my grandmother who knows very little of the side of the family I need to know about.

Vincenzo Laurenzo-most likely born Sept 18, 1874 in Napoli or Caivano, Italy

Married to a first wife, name unknown. Believed to have 3 children with the third dieing during childbirth and first two children passing as well. Unknown if this happened in the US or Italy. Third child was named Fred.

Vincenzo was in the US looking for work in New York. His sisters husbands name was Russo (the possible manifest to Vincenzo has a name that could pass for Russo? Looks like Ralph or Ralfo with a surname that doesn't ring any bells in the family). Was set up by friends in New York and he sent for his 2nd wife, my great grandmother. Her name was Alessandra Favicchio. No records on her. Believed to be born May 1st, 1885 in Marcianise, Caserta, Italy.

Together they had 8 children...Joseph, Anthony, Vincent, Arnold, Madaline, Carmella (or Campiglia), Mary and Concetta. I found an Armond Laurenzo listed through a website who lists Vincenzo and Alessandra as his parents. this could be Arnold? That same site also listed Alessandras name as Alexandra Favlchhia but can't find any records associated with this as well. They were married in New York as soon as she arrived but can't find any marriage records.

Can anyone help? I'm slowly acquiring new information and should have more next week so if you have questions, please ask them! There is also a ton of Laurenzo's in the Schenectedy and Saratoga area. Would love to know if they are related. My family was in Mechanicville..12118 area code until the last 30-40 years or so. I also found a passenger record by chance that says they are the wife of a Laurenzo but can't read the womans name or the first name of the Laurenzo. If you think you can decipher the name, let me know and I will email the link to the manifest.

Thanks everyone! And if you're a Laurenzo, let's see if we know each other!

Cassandra
Daughter of John Laurenzo

[sassicassi]

Also, he was believed to become a citizen right before my grandparents got married and my grandma is in her 70s? Which would likely make them married sometime around 1950-1965? I'd say in the 50s sometimes...Not sure where to look for naturalization records

[pink67]

Hi Sassicassi,

from this free site:
http://www.italiangen.org/Default.htm

I found the marriage record for Vincenzo and Alessandra:

Surname Laurenza
Given Name Vincenzo
Month of Marriage Feb
Day of Marriage 1
Year of Marriage 1911
County Manhattan
Certificate Number 3065
Soundex L652

bride:

Surname Faicchio
Given Name Alexandra
Month of Marriage Feb
Day of Marriage 1
Year of Marriage 1911
County Manhatta
Certificate Number 3065


could it be Vincenzo's arrival in 1904??

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Vincenzo Laurenzo
Name: Vincenzo Laurenzo
Arrival Date: 14 May 1904
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Age: 30
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Napoli
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Ship Name: San Gottardo
Search Ship Database: Search the San Gottardo in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 18
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_457
Page Number: 167

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Coming from Caivano, married, joining his brother in law Russo Pietrantonio at 93 Mulberrry street, NY...

Laura

[pink67]

Alessandra's arrival in 1911:

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Alessandra Faicchio
Name: Alessandra Faicchio
Arrival Date: 31 Jan 1911
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Age: 29
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Ship Name: Duca di Genova
Search Ship Database: Search the Duca di Genova in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: Italy
Line: 30
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_1623
Birth Location: Italy
Birth Location Other: manianire (right spell: Marcianise)

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She was leaving in Italy her mother Maria Gaetana, was single and she was joining her intended husband in Mechanicville...

Laura

[pink67]

Don't know if you alreday have his World War I Draft Registration card:

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Vincenzo Lawrenz Jr.
Name: Vincenzo Lawrenz Jr.
City: Not Stated
County: Saratoga
State: New York
Birth Date: 18 Sep 1874
Race: White
Roll: 1818817
DraftBoard: 1

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[pink67]

Here is 1930 census in Mechaniville:

1930 United States Federal Census
about James De Lorenzo
Name: James De Lorenzo
Home in 1930: Mechanicville, Saratoga, New York
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Alisandra
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James De Lorenzo 55
Alisandra De Lorenzo 45
Emeittas De Lorenzo 18 possible Concetta
Mary De Lorenzo 17
Joseph De Lorenzo 14
Armond De Lorenzo 13
Peter De Lorenzo 9
Carmela De Lorenzo 8
James De Lorenzo 6
Madeline De Lorenzo 4 10/12

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Both Vincenzo and Alessandra where not naturalized in 1930... but It seems to me there is a Naturalization mark on Vincenzo's 1904 arrival manifest... I can't understand the numbers but the year seems 1936
I found all these records on the Ancestry.com site....
I hope this can help you...
Laura

[pink67]

Married to a first wife, name unknown. Believed to have 3 children with the third dieing during childbirth and first two children passing as well. Unknown if this happened in the US or Italy. Third child was named Fred.

In 1909 Ferdinando Laurenzo came to USA travelling with his uncle Giuseppe Laurenza and his aunt (Giuseppe's wife) Castaldo Carolina...
He declared he was leaving in Italy (Caivano) his grandmother Concetta Massaro, so it's possible his mother was dead at that time. He was joining his father Vincenzo Laurenza... note that Giuseppe Laurenza (Vincenzo's brother) was joining his brother in law Russo Pietrantonio


New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Ferdinando Lawrence
Name: Ferdinando Lawrence
Arrival Date: 31 Aug 1909
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1903
Age: 6
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Ship Name: Germania
Search Ship Database: Search the Germania in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: Italy
Line: 10
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_1326
Birth Location: Italy
Birth Location Other: caivano
Page Number: 35

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on this arrival manifest you can find the Naturalization mark for Ferdinando:
7- 112413 - 10/15/1938

[pink67]

Here you have 1920 census for Vincenzo and family.... Fred was living with them....

1920 United States Federal Census
about James Lorenzo
Name: James Lorenzo
Home in 1920: Stillwater, Saratoga, New York
Age: 46 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Sandi
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Year of Immigration: 1914
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 1143
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Lorenzo 46
Sandi Lorenzo 34
Fred Lorenzo 17 born in Italy
Juile Lorenzo 7
Mare Lorenzo 6
Joseph Lorenzo 5
Arnold Lorenzo 4 3/12
Antone Lorenzo 1 5/12

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[sassicassi]

oh my gosh guys this is wonderful! I tried so many spellings of alessandra's name...i never thought it would be spelled that way. There is another family of Laurenzo's living in Saratoga that I'm not sure if they were related...in Schenectedy as well so the one in Saratoga may not be my vincenzo from the census but I'm guessing it is by the alternate spelled names. Also thank you for deciphering Russo's name...My Gram does remember Russo and that he did live in the city. This helps TREMENDOUSLY! Will post more questions once I fill in some more blanks.

I love this site!

[sassicassi]

Married to a first wife, name unknown. Believed to have 3 children with the third dieing during childbirth and first two children passing as well. Unknown if this happened in the US or Italy. Third child was named Fred.

In 1909 Ferdinando Laurenzo came to USA travelling with his uncle Giuseppe Laurenza and his aunt (Giuseppe's wife) Castaldo Carolina...
He declared he was leaving in Italy (Caivano) his grandmother Concetta Massaro, so it's possible his mother was dead at that time. He was joining his father Vincenzo Laurenza... note that Giuseppe Laurenza (Vincenzo's brother) was joining his brother in law Russo Pietrantonio


New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Ferdinando Lawrence
Name: Ferdinando Lawrence
Arrival Date: 31 Aug 1909
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1903
Age: 6
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Ship Name: Germania
Search Ship Database: Search the Germania in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: Italy
Line: 10
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_1326
Birth Location: Italy
Birth Location Other: caivano
Page Number: 35

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on this arrival manifest you can find the Naturalization mark for Ferdinando:
7- 112413 - 10/15/1938

Wouldn't Concetta Massaro have the last name Laurenzo as well if it was the grandmother? It states that Guiseppe's mothers name was Concetta and Fred's grandmother but they are Laurenzos...not Faicchios. Is it possible she would've assumed her maiden name after her husbands death maybe?

[pink67]

ciao Cassandra!!!
I'm very happy to help you, like everybody here!

so, I think that Concetta MASSARO is Vincenzo and Giuseppe's mother because in Italy women keep their last name even if married.
So Concetta was Ferdinando's paternal grandmother....
Did you see that Giuseppe Laurenza at his arrival declared his nearest relative in Italy his mother Concetta Massaro/a?

Laura

[sassicassi]

Married to a first wife, name unknown. Believed to have 3 children with the third dieing during childbirth and first two children passing as well. Unknown if this happened in the US or Italy. Third child was named Fred.

In 1909 Ferdinando Laurenzo came to USA travelling with his uncle Giuseppe Laurenza and his aunt (Giuseppe's wife) Castaldo Carolina...
He declared he was leaving in Italy (Caivano) his grandmother Concetta Massaro, so it's possible his mother was dead at that time. He was joining his father Vincenzo Laurenza... note that Giuseppe Laurenza (Vincenzo's brother) was joining his brother in law Russo Pietrantonio


New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Ferdinando Lawrence
Name: Ferdinando Lawrence
Arrival Date: 31 Aug 1909
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1903
Age: 6
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Ship Name: Germania
Search Ship Database: Search the Germania in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: Italy
Line: 10
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_1326
Birth Location: Italy
Birth Location Other: caivano
Page Number: 35

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on this arrival manifest you can find the Naturalization mark for Ferdinando:
7- 112413 - 10/15/1938

i also tried to read where it said that guiseppe was visiting brother in law russo...what I can read looks like it shows something like his brother Massimo or something similar. Where do you see russo's name tied to guiseppe?

[sassicassi]

ciao Cassandra!!!
I'm very happy to help you, like everybody here!

so, I think that Concetta MASSARO is Vincenzo and Giuseppe's mother because in Italy women keep their last name even if married.
So Concetta was Ferdinando's paternal grandmother....
Did you see that Giuseppe Laurenza at his arrival declared his nearest relative in Italy his mother Concetta Massaro/a?

Laura

ok that makes sense if they kept their last names...you have no idea how mucht his helps! I think I have enough information to at least try to track down alessandra's birth certificate now. With a birth city, birth dates, etc...do you have any idea where to find the birth certificate for alessandra and vincenzo? I heard that the churches kept records at that time and still hold those records. Do I have to go to Italy to track them down? I hope not but it IS a good excuse to go haha. Do you do this for a career? you know a lot of places to look! It's so fascinating to find out about your families history.

[pink67]

look line 8 and 9, page 2 for Giuseppe and Carolina:
joining his brother in law Russo Pietrantonio, Oliver? street, 50 New York
moreover, Giuseppe was in USA before form 1905 to 1909...
Line 10 for Ferdinando joining his father vincenzo Lorenza at the same address

[pink67]

I'm doing this for hobby, genealogy is of great interest for me....
I'm in Italy so I don't know if I can help to point you in the right directions to request documents in USA, but I can sure advise you to request first the marriage certificate, you have the number and all the dates you need.
Here is the link to the form:

http://www.italiangen.org/ny_marriage_application.htm

And, as you know the exact birth date and place for Vincenzo Laurenza you should request his "estratto dell'atto di Nascita" to the Caivano Comune:

Comune Caivano
Stato Civile
Via Don Minzoni, 1
80023 Caivano (NA)

I'm searching now for a form to request this certificate...

Laura