barsotti

[durtyshotz]

ok so i need help with barsotti's anyone ready i have a adolph william barsotti born around 1898 married to stella viani born around 1992 not sure when adolph came over (i think he was young) nore who his parents are there kids were Ronald john barsotti, elaine barsotti. ronald is my grandfather and it would do my family much satisfication for a little help. i beleive my uncle told me they are from lucca but i dont want to assume this

[durtyshotz]

my uncle tells me they came through the panama canal opposed to ellis island

[durtyshotz]

some of his papers i found say he came to us in 1900 he woulda been 2

[durtyshotz]

maybe born aug 24th 1898

[pink67]

Hi and welcome!

For references:

form the site Ancestry.com:

California Death Index, 1940-1997
about Adolph W Barsotti
Name: Adolph W Barsotti
Social Security #:
Sex: MALE
Birth Date: 24 Aug 1898
Birthplace: Other Country
Death Date: 17 Jan 1975
Death Place: Kern

and:

1930 United States Federal Census
about William Barsotti
Name: William Barsotti
Home in 1930: Bakersfield, Kern, California

Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Stella
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Barsotti 32 head, born in IT, year of immigr. 1900, married at the age of 25, occupation driver
Stella Barsotti 28 wife, born in CA
Elaine Barsotti 6 daugther, born in CA
Ronald Barsotti 2 son, born in CA

image: [img=http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/1083/b ... 930.th.jpg]

this document is the military Enlistment for the First World War, it's dated september 1918 and he was single.
His nearest relative was his sister P. Lanchoni? living at the same address in Bakersfield CA

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Adolph William Barrsotti
Name: Adolph William Barrsotti
County: Kern
State: California
Birth Date: 26 Aug 1897
Race: White
Roll: 1530794
DraftBoard: 1

Unfortunately no place of birth is listed...

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Laura

[pink67]

From the site of http://www.ellisisland.org/ (free) here is the possible 1903 arrival manifest for Adolfo (age 6) travelling with his mother Jole and sisters Pamela (age 10), Scolastica (age 7) and Bruna (age 4), them both were joining their husband/father Giovanni Barsotti in Los Banos - CA, stating Santa Annunziata as their last residence in Italy:

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0026

Santissima Annunziata is an hamlet of the Comune of Lucca:

http://italia.indettaglio.it/eng/toscan ... ziata.html

[pink67]

From ancestry.com:

California Birth Index, 1905-1995
about Dorothy E Barsotti
Name: Dorothy E Barsotti
Birth Date: 25 Oct 1923
Gender: Female
Mother's Maiden Name: Viani
Birth County: Kern

California Birth Index, 1905-1995
about Ronald John Barsotti
Name: Ronald John Barsotti
Birth Date: 20 Mar 1928
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Viani
Birth County: Kern

Laura

[durtyshotz]

thanx for the head start ima go to bed then when i wake up ill start tracking these down the first couple i found i didnt know if that was his draft card cause the birth date is different and good reading that draft card cause i cant make out most of the stuff on that thing

[durtyshotz]

From the site of http://www.ellisisland.org/ (free) here is the possible 1903 arrival manifest for Adolfo (age 6) travelling with his mother Jole and sisters Pamela (age 10), Scolastica (age 7) and Bruna (age 4), them both were joining their husband/father Giovanni Barsotti in Los Banos - CA, stating Santa Annunziata as their last residence in Italy:

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0026

Santissima Annunziata is an hamlet of the Comune of Lucca:

http://italia.indettaglio.it/eng/toscan ... ziata.html

wow now this is interesting its so hard to track with these possible different names but adolfo was tipically the same as adolf adolph im sure and man those italian names are so hard to read on this document you must have a trained eye

[pink67]

you must have a trained eye

It's just because I'm italian, it's easier for me to read the handwriting....

I believe this should be the 1910 Census for Adolfo/Adolph

1910 United States Federal Census
about Adolph Bursortti
Name: Adolph Bursortti
[Adolph Barsortti]
Age in 1910: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Boarder
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Home in 1910: Township 3, Madera, California
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1905
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mike Iosla 37
Amabilis Iosla 26
Frank Iosla 2
Fred Gate 29
Arthur Landucci 25 brother in law, born in IT, married since 2 years, year of immigr. 1902
Pamalla Landucci 17 sister in law, born in IT, married since 2 years, year of immigr. 1905
Angelina Selai 17 boarder
John Silar 24 boarder
Adolph Bursortti 12 boarder, born in IT, year of immigr. 1905
Bessie Barsortti 14 boarder, born in IT, year of immigr. 1905
Antono Fiamengo 22
John Fraecha 24
Atalia Malloni 28
Edsio Carmason 24
Lewis Brochini 24
Angelo Mennusci 37
Peter Guereri 23
Daniel Polovichi
Rudolph Cascowish 40
P Badella 30
Charles Saroy 58
Tessilore Eligeo 20
Nicholas Tisolich 33
Daniel Dennish 22
Arthur Michetti 30

image:
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From my previous post :

His nearest relative was his sister P. Lanchoni? living at the same address in Bakersfield CA

I believe his sister was the Pamela Landucci on this census manifest and the other sister Bessie living with them should have been the "Scolastica" on the arrival manifest...

The head of this "family" in the 1910 census is Mike Iosla (sure lastname is mispelled), and was the brother in law of Pamela and Arthur Landucci

Hope this helps!

Laura

[pink67]

Possible Adolfo's 1920 census?

1920 United States Federal Census
about Adolph Barsotti
Name: Adolph Barsotti
Home in 1920: Bakersfield Ward 3, Kern, California
Age: 22 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Lodger
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Sex: Male
Year of Immigration: 1900
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 226
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Wan Lon 67
Arlie W Pori 35
Pat Gerwin 35
Bad Wallman 36
L V Sania 33
Andrew Banker 38
Leon Stein 49
Joseph Gatts 38
Hector McEntee 20
Adolph Barsotti 22
Julius Antongiovann 22
Joseph Margarine 28
Sidney Splain 39
Ed Patrinos 28
Frank Lippi 30
Guiseppa Dalbrano 20
Alfredo Anderson 26


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Laura

[durtyshotz]

you must have a trained eye

It's just because I'm italian, it's easier for me to read the handwriting....

I believe this should be the 1910 Census for Adolfo/Adolph

1910 United States Federal Census
about Adolph Bursortti
Name: Adolph Bursortti
[Adolph Barsortti]
Age in 1910: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Boarder
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Home in 1910: Township 3, Madera, California
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1905
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mike Iosla 37
Amabilis Iosla 26
Frank Iosla 2
Fred Gate 29
Arthur Landucci 25 brother in law, born in IT, married since 2 years, year of immigr. 1902
Pamalla Landucci 17 sister in law, born in IT, married since 2 years, year of immigr. 1905
Angelina Selai 17 boarder
John Silar 24 boarder
Adolph Bursortti 12 boarder, born in IT, year of immigr. 1905
Bessie Barsortti 14 boarder, born in IT, year of immigr. 1905
Antono Fiamengo 22
John Fraecha 24
Atalia Malloni 28
Edsio Carmason 24
Lewis Brochini 24
Angelo Mennusci 37
Peter Guereri 23
Daniel Polovichi
Rudolph Cascowish 40
P Badella 30
Charles Saroy 58
Tessilore Eligeo 20
Nicholas Tisolich 33
Daniel Dennish 22
Arthur Michetti 30

image:
[img=http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/3508/b ... sus.th.jpg]

From my previous post :

His nearest relative was his sister P. Lanchoni? living at the same address in Bakersfield CA

I believe his sister was the Pamela Landucci on this census manifest and the other sister Bessie living with them should have been the "Scolastica" on the arrival manifest...

The head of this "family" in the 1910 census is Mike Iosla (sure lastname is mispelled), and was the brother in law of Pamela and Arthur Landucci

Hope this helps!

Laura

now i do wonder if this is really him. is it normal to have 5 years different in the arrival dates. on some of the info im sure its him like the 20's and 30's us census i dont think that draft card is his, seems like the birth date to long ago. but jeez if these immigration documents are my adolfo that could be the silver bullet i need. if you keep trying ill try and answer any questions and hopefully i can find where most of my barsotti's lived in hopes one day to visit with my family.

[durtyshotz]

still searching im hitting a brick wall fast. do papers like death certs have more info on them if you order them

[pink67]

It was pretty normal for the immigrants state different birth years... usually they made them younger... I saw records of the same person with even 5/6 years of difference in comparison with their real age.
Remember that often they were not able to read or write (this is why many names and last names were "americanized") and the dates they had to declare to the census taker, for example, were based only on their declaration with no proof.
I'm pretty sure all these records are pertaining your ancestor... You should request his death certificate maybe it could have listed his place of birth....

Laura

[pink67]

my uncle tells me they came through the panama canal opposed to ellis island

From Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Canal

The canal was formally opened on August 15, 1914 with the passage of the cargo ship Ancon.

Emigrants from Europe usually landed to New York, Boston, Philadelphia, New Orleans....