Sicilian DNA

[MarcuccioV]

In your middle-Eastern example, that depends on the strength of that ethnicity in each individual. So, for example, if a relative in Sicily was 100% Arabic/Moor, and married a spouse half Arabic/Moor and half Sicilian (Italian), their offspring could still be as much as 75% Arabic/Moor. That's why the Greek/Arabic, Moor, etc remains as an ethnicity (albeit in smaller proportions). The further the generations progress without the entry of further Arabic DNA, it will eventually be phased out. How long that would take would depend on the concentration to start with.

At least that's my understanding.

[darkerhorse]

I double-checked and it's back 6 not 7 generations but that doesn't make much difference for the discussion.

Anyway, I would think that having all of them coming from the same town in Sicily (with inter-marriage) would increase the chances of town DNA surviving to later generations.

In other words, the gene pool is relatively homogenous.

[MarcuccioV]

I double-checked and it's back 6 not 7 generations but that doesn't make much difference for the discussion.

Anyway, I would think that having all of them coming from the same town in Sicily (with inter-marriage) would increase the chances of town DNA surviving to later generations.

In other words, the gene pool is relatively homogenous.

Sì, sono d'accordo su questo punto.

[MarcuccioV]

My tree goes back on paper trail only 5-6 gens (excluding info from other's trees) so there is no doubt the migration was very recent before that or it would not show up I wouldn't think. Even some of those I don't have definitive birthplaces for (the 5th-6th gens). It's also possible that some of those early gens had birthplaces assumed or incorrectly assigned but I'll likely never find that out...

[darkerhorse]

There are some in my extended family who say the surname line came from Bari on the mainland. I suppose DNA testing might address that.

[MarcuccioV]

There are some in my extended family who say the surname line came from Bari on the mainland. I suppose DNA testing might address that.

Most likely, yes. My grandfather's surname appears in not only Lazio, but in Campania, Puglia and Sicily. It does show up elsewhere, but since I have little ancestry strengths from those other regions I can probably rule those out...

[MarcuccioV]

BTW, did you ever check the surname map to see where else it shows up in Italy..?

[darkerhorse]

Yes, points right to the province in Sicily, none in Bari.

However, there's a similar surname prevalent in Bari with some in Sicily, but none in the province.

I suppose it's possible that the spelling was changed with migration.

But it's only one family which has that theory - they share the surname but are only fourth cousins of mine.

[darkerhorse]

Speaking very broadly, the most frequent Y haplogroups of the world's most conquered island may be correlated most probably (albeit imprecisely) to the following peoples:
Estimated percentage of haplogroup presence in Sicily circa 1400.• J1 - Arabs, Berbers, Carthaginians, Jews,
• J2 - Greeks, Romans, Jews, Spaniards,
• R1b - Germans, Normans, Longobards, Aragonese, Spaniards, Romans,
• I1 & I2b - Vikings and Normans,
• I & I2a - Elymians,
• E1b1b - Arabs and Berbers,
• G - Arabs and Elymians,
• N - Vikings and Normans,
• K - Arabs, Greeks, Berbers, Carthaginians,
• H - Arabs,
• T - Phoenicians, Carthaginians.

Mine is R1b

[darkerhorse]

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[darkerhorse]

23 and Me detected mine accurately...

Did it report a percentage Sicilian?

[darkerhorse]

Ancestry shows Sicilian DNA.

Does Ancestry report a percentage Sicilian?

[darkerhorse]

Has anyone had a DNA test for ethnicity which reports an actual percentage for a specific category labeled "Sicily" or "Sicilian"?

My father is half-Sicilian, and my Ancestry DNA test came back showing me at "9% Sicily". So, yes, the test is out there.

Would you mine posting the results?

[MarcuccioV]

Based on our conversation on the other thread about the ancient Sicily/Buffo on my C-17, it showed up on the MyTrueAncestry report for both my Ancestry and 23&Me uploads.

I did a few chromosome paint reports for my C-17 on GEDMATCH. They match exactly for both uploads. Further, those approximate points on C-17 that contained the ancient Sicilian were almost 100% W Asian/E Med (by recent ancestry). Since W Asian (Turkey, Levant, etc) and E Med (S Italy/Balkans) are prominent in Sicilian DNA it seems to be reinforced.

Unfortunately no timeline can be obtained from this info...

[darkerhorse]

What is the best testing company to use in order to detect Sicilian DNA?

Just looking for an update on your current thinking on this topic.